Re: G20 Toronto

June 25th, 2010, 10:23 am

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Sure thing bro. I was researching trends and how to better predict them, and came across the theory of K-waves. A lot of people think it's no better than voodoo, but it couldn't get much worse than what the so-called experts have been shoveling.

Re: G20 Toronto

June 27th, 2010, 10:34 am

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Looks like things have not been too good in Toronto, and Richard was right on when he wrote this post. You can see this coming from 100 miles away so why continue to have these in downtown areas? I never could understand why a rioter would want to smash up his own city, and hurt their own businesses and neighbors? What does smashing window's have to do with the G20? What does the Toronto police have to do with it, they would be happy to just keep the peace I believe. No one inside the G20 is going to say, "did you see that burning car outside, lets change our policy."

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 27th, 2010, 10:47 am

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mgnt8 wrote:Right on.
Another nugget, "Our own flags should be substituted for those of the enemy, and the taken chariots mingled and used in conjunction with ours"

In conjunction with the conference, have a big music festival. I'm talking parades, bazaars, exclusive afterhours parties, raves. Call it One World Party or maybe G-infinite. Book the biggest rock bands. If they refuse to show up, then hire the hungriest, cutting edge local acts and dump a truckload of money on their stoops. Steal the protest's thunder.

They could call it Live 8.

Re: G20 Toronto

June 28th, 2010, 3:49 am

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mrtwills wrote:What does the Toronto police have to do with it, they would be happy to just keep the peace I believe
Signs of agent provocateurs?

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 28th, 2010, 6:41 am

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Ugh, those look like really standard Vibram soles used on like every other work boot?

Majority of the people who cause trouble are either teenage shitheads or are not local, to answer the question "Why would they destroy the city they live in?" They travel from all over the place to protest. And most of the stuff we see in the pictures in action - the perfectly framed black bloc smashing Starbucks - is probably planted (police or press) to justify either future police violence or to create a more compelling narrative. And speaking of the police, at least in the USA, most of them at these events are not local, as well.

Concerts don't help. They are an excuse for police to arrest everybody attending for unlawful assembly and conspiracy to riot, basically (in US)

Unfortunately, I worked and lived in a mile radius from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Repub ... Convention

I managed to avoid most of the drama by leaving work a few hours early and staying in, but on the last day I ended up stranded downtown because all of the overpasses were closed by the police, anticipating protesters. Being shoved by a Blackwater dude thrice my size is not something I want to go through again.

I know people whose houses were raided, they didn't plan protesting at all, just lived in the wrong part of town, I guess? A few people I know who lived in the area were maced. Again, not protesting, just trying to go home.

For every protester there is probably at least 3 policemen. They tend to overuse their powers during big events, and since I'm the resident tinfoil hat wearer, I think the practice of having these meetings in urban densely populated areas will continue to create a sense of fear in general public and to justify police militarization that's been going on for a while. Sort of a "How far can we push civil rights and get away with it?" litmus test (in US)

Or something. Blurgh. I need coffee.

Re: G20 Toronto

June 28th, 2010, 10:36 am

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories. The only Agent Provocateur's I'm interested in hearing about has to do with the lingerie.

Fact of the matter is most of the people causing the damages were people just looking to break stuff, most from out of town. Add to that the huge amount of "protestors" who don't want violence, but do want confrontation and you've got a lot of nonsense.

I have to commend the police given the situation. They handled everything very well and overall the results were good.

Still, this thing should seriously be on an army base or aircraft carrier someplace.

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 28th, 2010, 11:10 am

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The concert idea would totally work. Where I live, angry youths used to gather around in the tightly enclosed downtown area, protesting modernism, and fighting with police.

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The city wised up and started giving them what they crave, but in managed doses & corporate sponsered filters designed for maximum mood sedation by framing the experience with post modern architecture.

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fully indoctrinated, masses of youth turn patriotic in the name of the post modern ideal.

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June 28th, 2010, 11:20 am

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PS. I swear I already replied to this topic..dunno where that post went...
It pro'ly got flung off at apsis on it's orbit of Saturn before it could return to C77 to be posted... it happened to me last week. And it is more troubling to me than what is being protested in Toronto. The protesters themselves are hooligans and vandals, and deserve to be dealt with as such, pure and simple.

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fully indoctrinated, masses of youth turn patriotic in the name of the post modern ideal.
Ah yes, the old 'Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt' and 'masses-of-youth-turn-patriotic' schtick...

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 28th, 2010, 11:58 am

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BTW: The meeting was originally planned for Huntsville, a small city about 3 hours north of Toronto. It was originally only a G8 meeting, which could be accomodated in Huntsville. The federal government spent around $50 million to improve infrastructure and make Huntsville look a little more like a shining star of the industrialized world (new hockey arena, gym, track, new buildings for the U of Waterloo, a giant fence).

BTW, the fed minister from Huntsville is Tony Clement. He won in 2006 by a margin of 28 votes. I don't believe in conspiracy.

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June 28th, 2010, 3:49 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpKSAZ5qiI

agent provocateurs are not theories, since the Canadian police in Quebec admitted it.
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Re: G20 Toronto

June 29th, 2010, 8:06 pm

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just have the g20 outside of burning man every year in the desert... done.

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June 29th, 2010, 8:10 pm

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yo wrote:just have the g20 outside of burning man every year in the desert... done.

Great idea. Reverse psychology - instead of avoiding the crazies, go to where they are anyhow.

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 30th, 2010, 4:10 pm

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That is what I'm thinking, they are already blowing up stuff there anyway, it would cost way less to create a temporary bunker community for the g20... and after the conference, you could have the protestors blow it up for fun the way fox blew up that casino in Vegas on New Years Eve 10 years ago.

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June 30th, 2010, 4:47 pm

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Maybe have the meetings in a blimp flying above the chaos for security.

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Re: G20 Toronto

June 30th, 2010, 6:40 pm

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They could have it on a cruise ship way out at sea with a couple Navy ships protecting them.
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