nunoCR wrote: "Let's assume that we are interstellar travelers, originating from earth, as it is known today, and in our journey we stumble upon, amazingly enough, an exact replica of our planet, the only difference between the current state of this new planet versus our own is that there are no human begins, human evolution has not occurred. Hence there are no establishment orders, no social arrogances, no money, nothing to limit our possibility. Given the advanced scientific knowledge we have today, how would we go about redesigning our social infrastructure from the ground up, with the goal to create, nothing less, but the most efficient, conscientious and sustainable society as possible?"
It will be interesting to see whether the children* in charge of running our country let it go to the brink over this. Part of me hopes they do it, just because I'm curious to see what it looks like when a country implodes. And I have another passport and can leave when it does.mo-i wrote:P.S:
This thread may gain urgency sooner than you thought, when you went to bed last night:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-0 ... ences.html
I am so glad there are other Battlestar Galactica geeks on hereyssagul wrote: Just look at Battlestar Galactica when they tried to live on New Caprica. It only worked out in the end when they went completely primal on Earth.
there is always a black market...........ip_wirelessly wrote:Hoodzy wrote:We all know the first thing we are going to run out of is clean water. 15 years for 1/3 the population and i'm sure it will just get worse from then on.
We can all envision the demise. I have no question that will all the end of the world TV shows around (After Humans, or whatever its called) that surmising how it will FAIL is the easy part.
This, believe it or not, is more of an optimistic thread. Its more about the reboot of society. If things to go hell in a handbasket, Barring complete extinction, society will have to reset itself. It will have a period of years where the expectations of excess will be eliminated.
I'm curious as to what is necessary.
As chrisdougherty pointed out, there's Maslow's needs. Basic, biologicaly needs to SURVIVE. But I'm talking about the point where society continues to tick along in a way that keeps people happy, but doesn't cause failure.
Burger Kings and fast food disappears. Vehicles are limited to 1 per household. Possibly even rental only? In your house, do you have a computer? A television? Books? Microwave? You definitely don't need 3 or 4 of each. Products are limited to a certain consumption limit per year?
A forced trade off system is, effectively, established. Everyone gets the same amount of fuel per year. So if you want an SUV, fine, but it may sit idle from October to January because you burnt through your rations.
A lot of this comes from me trying to make sense of all the SHIT that is in my house. My son comes home from McDonald's with his grandparents and another crap toy from his Happy Meal gets played with for 15 minutes then goes in a drawer never to be played with again.
How much is enough for me, my kids, my family to be happy. Can we get away from "The Joneses"?
Sure it would be a colossal task but let's try to be more specific.yssagul wrote: Reading that makes me think of how difficult it would be with all of the burdens that the modern human has taken upon themselves. Order has evolved over a long period of time and trying to establish Order, especially on an empty planet sounds like disaster. Sure it might pan out, but the politics would be as tumultuous as they are today. Just look at Battlestar Galactica when they tried to live on New Caprica. It only worked out in the end when they went completely primal on Earth.