REd Dot Charges

September 4th, 2007, 8:29 am

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anyone else feel they are getting scammed by the Red Dot Organisation?

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depends if your going to pay them....and then pay them some more if you win.

September 4th, 2007, 9:21 am

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yes - you pay to enter - you pay if you win - and then you pay to exhibit - and then you have to cancel - with confusing rules to say the least, etc....

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Its just one big ad in the end. Is a Red dot winner a really the best of the best? As it must put a few people of entering, so tis not really a level playing field is it?

September 4th, 2007, 11:07 am

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Is any competition really the best of the best? Normally you get the same few studios/corporate companies submitting the same things over and over. Just check out the ID annual or any other competition.

Filled with the usual Apple, Nike, IDEO, Frog stuff, and perhaps a handful of other interesting truly independent work.

Sure its been discussed here before, but in any case, I feel awards don't really get you anywhere...

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I don't think the payment is wrong. We all know what this award thing is all about, so do it if you like it. It's like paying for the branded clothes that you put on.

However, I would think that they should be completely free for students whose entries aren't meant to be commercialized(eg. school or individual projects).
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September 4th, 2007, 11:32 am

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If we all boycott the awards they would go broke.

I say we have Core77 viewers judge good design and make it free.
I think Core77 does a better job at promoting ID than any of those professional pay organizations. IDSA doesn't have a site even close to this but still want hundreds of bucks a year for some newsletters.

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September 4th, 2007, 4:59 pm

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"Easy to Use" and "Intuitive Design" are common traits of award winning designs. Yet, these characteristics can't be said about the exhibit fees of Red Dot. Why does Red Dot require winners to cancel the design museum fee 3 months in advance, yet they don't tell you of a fee until it's due? Unlike a magazine subscription, when the bill arrives you can pay or cancel, Red Dot forces payment and says one can cancel for the next year. Has anyone been able to find the loop hole around paying, without ruining future entries?

Company lawyers shouldn't have to read the fine print of award contests!

September 5th, 2007, 9:22 am

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haha that is one of the big problems with the red-dot award. I would call it a winners curse, win and you pay. I have know designer not entering just in case they might win!

September 5th, 2007, 9:44 am

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Nonetheless, my sister did buy an umbrella because it was tagged with the red dot sticker. It wasn't cheap either.

When I asked her, what exactly is the value of this umbrella after using it. She couldn't say much.
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mpdesigner wrote:IDSA doesn't have a site even close to this but still want hundreds of bucks a year for some newsletters.
IDSA does a better job at organizing actual events/conferences and the likes. Although core certainly has the online presence wrapped up, i don't think that IDSA is that far behind and could certainly catch up. probably not when it comes to coroflot but in terms of blogging for sure. in some previous thread, someone floated the idea of a core/idsa colab, which would be great imo

September 6th, 2007, 1:00 am

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i sometimes think all these is about money... just like branded goods.
but branded goods may not be better then the less reputable one..

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cheerygirl wrote:i sometimes think all these is about money... just like branded goods.
but branded goods may not be better then the less reputable one..
**Newsflash**

Industrial Design is about MAKING MONEY!!!

Is Red Dot a big advertising campaign? Yes.
Are the IDEAs? Yes.
Is 1HDC? Yes.
Is [insert any competition here]? Yes.

I have never entered Red Dot so I have had zero exposure to their fees. Can someone explain what the fee structure is? A "hidden" charge for winning sounds silly, especially if it is sprung on the winner without prior knowledge.

As for having a lawyer read a document before entry....I have to say that I have trouble believing that that this "hidden" charge is hidden. It is more likely that someone just clicked the little box next to "Have you read the terms" without reading and hit send.

The real ironic part about it is that anyone who doesn't win bitches about entry fees, or voting structure, etc. But as soon as they win, they are asking for the EPS file of the competition logo so they can plaster it all over their packaging or website. How many people here wear an IDEAs award as a badge on their Resume?

September 6th, 2007, 12:20 pm

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ip_wirelessly wrote:How many people here wear an IDEAs award as a badge on their Resume?

I don't, but would if I could :P
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September 6th, 2007, 12:27 pm

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molested_cow wrote:
ip_wirelessly wrote:How many people here wear an IDEAs award as a badge on their Resume?

I don't, but would if I could :P
Exactly...as would I.
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