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Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: December 16th, 2015, 1:09 pm
by slippyfish
Went to the Bellevue Square mall last night to hit up the Lego store for my kid's Christmas presents...avoided buying myself the sweet Poe Dameron X-Wing. After that, the big Microsoft retail store, and the Apple Store.

It might be that the Apple store recently moved to the 2nd floor from the ground floor in order to get a larger space, but the traffic was higher in the MS store at 7PM on a weeknight, the week before Christmas. The Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book are the first products displayed when you walk in, and there were helpful employees standing right by them to answer questions and check stock.

I watched Spencer Nugent's video comparing the Surface, Wacom, and iPad Pro so wanted to see for myself which is best for drawing. The Surface 4 was a really good looking piece of hardware - the Surface book is even nicer looking although the weight imbalance of the screen feels a little odd. The drawing action was good - similar to a Cintiq I thought - it didn't feel like "plastic on plastic" as Nugent described. Plus there's an eraser. All in all it was nice. The screen quality on the Surface Book seemed very good.

Then I went upstairs to mess around with the iPP and the Pencil. It was undeniably better of a drawing experience, and I was just using the stock 'Notes' software, nothing special. I got the impression that there were hundreds of small design choices that were employed in the conception and use of this device, and that it was driven heavily by people who's lives and passions depend on creating images by hand. I can't boil it down to just one thing - penciltip friction, stylus weight, screen surface, the tip sensitivity, overall size of the screen - but for people who care deeply about the drawing experience there is no comparison with the Surface products. After 15 minutes I no longer cared that the Pencil didn't have a slot for storage, or that the charging was done by sticking the end in the iPP. Think about your first Wacom experience with an Intuos, and how much better the first Cintiqs were, compare that to the newest Cintiqs, and then take another big jump to get to the iPad Pro drawing experience. I thought Spencer was just being an Apple fanboy - which he admitted to being - with picking the iPad Pro in his video, but after trying it I think he's right. There's just something, which is a combination of hundreds of other little somethings.

Definite buy.

Followup - I asked an Apple Store employee about Pencil on the smaller iPad models, he said "no, just the iPad Pro... for now."

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: December 17th, 2015, 12:46 pm
by SoOnAndSoForth
Thanks Slippyfish for the thoughtful review. I am trying to decide between a big Cintiq, iPad Pro, or Surface (Book or Pro) for sketching duties so your comments are very timely.
While I love the idea of the Cintiq, I think the reality of how I work is that I would rather have the option to be mobile. Looks like I'll be driving to the mall this weekend to visit the Microsoft & Apple stores!

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: December 22nd, 2015, 1:39 pm
by Generatewhatsnext
Other than the OS, this is very similar to my Samsung Note PRO 12.2...accurate drawing/sketching/writing but limited due to it being a mobile OS.

I opted instead for the Surface Book (I'm using the Surface dock, MS's new Arc mouse and a few things tied into the dock (Dell 27" monitor, LG external DVD drive, Toshiba external SSD) and I can add another monitor via the dock if work flow prompts the need. So far the Surface Book is pretty amazing. I chose the i7 with 16gb ram and 512 SSD with both the Nvidia and Intel GPUs. The sketching is as good as the Note PRO (which is Samsung's S-pen, which is really a wacom) and I love how the pen sits on the side.

This is the first Windows product I've ever owned that most people mistake for an Apple.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: December 23rd, 2015, 11:12 pm
by ryip
[quote="slippyfish" the iPP [/quote]


But really, I'm glad there's finally some great competition out there giving Wacom a run for its money.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: June 25th, 2016, 11:15 pm
by eobet
I have a Wacom Cintiq 21ux at home, the newer 24 inch Cintiq at work (and a co-worker just got the latest, massive, all glass front Cintiq). Plus, I've owned a Samsung Pro 900 12.2 for a few years with the Wacom Bamboo stylus accessory.

God damnit. The iPad Pro with the pencil blows them all clean out of the water. No discussion. Wacom just got obliterated.

I mean, I did not expect this at all. The pencil has got a fucking battery, for crying out loud! Yet, digital sketching has always been just that, digital. Paper was always the fastest and most natural. But I don't think that's the case anymore. Sketching on the iPad Pro (after a few brush tool adjustments) feels completely natural. For the first time in years with an apple product (I thought they went downhill after Steve Jobs), "it just works".

Congratulations Apple. I'm selling my Cintiq.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: June 27th, 2016, 1:25 pm
by slippyfish
@eobet what software did you try?

The basic iOS 'Notes' app has a really nice pencil feeling, mostly due to the 'tooth' of the paper. But lean and pressure are much more sensitive-feeling in Notes, than they seem to be in Sketchbook Pro.

I haven't tried anything else yet, but have heard that ProCreate is also good.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: June 29th, 2016, 9:35 pm
by eobet
Procreate is glitchy for me. Irratic, random sudden spikes in pressure and ghost lines. But holy shit, those brushes.

Sketchbook Pro is rock solid, though, and open for some tweaking, but sadly no pressure profiles (or elliptical guides, wtf).

So, Procreate for fun, Sketchbook for work.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: June 29th, 2016, 10:31 pm
by sketchstone
@eobet, i also had the same issues as you on my ipad pro 12.9in, and was really upset at how different my experience with everyone else, thought i had a faulty unit. Make sure your system is updated to the lastest iOS version. This for some reason fixed alot of my apple pencil pressure irregularities. Also, something else that has helped is actully turning off palm rejection in the system settings of procreate (these are not the settings in the prefs tab within the app, but the actual system settings of the ipad). Lastly, i was not happy with any of the preloaded brushes in procreate. Didnt get the feeling i liked with any of them... Till i came across dizzytara's oval sketch brush. You can find it on gumroad and personally i think its the best sketching brush for procreate. Hope this also resolves some of your issues.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: June 29th, 2016, 11:01 pm
by Robbie_roy
Thanks sketchstone, dizzytara's brushes looks good. Will have to give them a shot. I have gotten into the annoying habit of having a new "favorite" pencil preset every week or so, with all the tweakability that is possible (same as on a PC with a Cintiq). Lame as it is in 2016, I ended up cutting the fingertips off of a soft fabric glove to sketch with -- the palm rejection was 99% there, but still distracting when it failed.
eobet wrote: God damnit. The iPad Pro with the pencil blows them all clean out of the water. No discussion. Wacom just got obliterated.
They are so close! Once Procreate or another app has the ability to group layers, use layer/group masks to avoid destructive drawing, and some more selection tools (polygon lasso, smoothing, feathering), they will be there.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: July 19th, 2016, 2:18 pm
by sketchstone
Tried using the ipad pro 12.9 outdoors during my lunch break just now... Could see everything cleary without any issues at about 80% brightness. Note: I applied a $10 antiglare screen protector that gives the display some tooth, makes the ipad feel more like the cintiq 21ux display which i also own.

Re: Apple iPad Pro and Pencil

Posted: November 11th, 2016, 10:46 pm
by Stephanie_L_Diaz_Llorens
Technology has indeed gone very far. The problem is that is going beyond what people are used to. Some people think that paper and pen or pencil is necessary in the world. There was a study that proved that with pen and paper the mind recorded better what it was doing than in the computer. On the other hand I think that using a technique like this one, it could be replaced. Also the contamination and destruction of fauna habitats could end. This new generation could be the ones that start this new life and older generations could learn.