strobel vs. cemented

March 27th, 2011, 9:47 am

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Is there anyone here who prefers one over the other? Or would you use it in different situations.

In my case I'm talking about a casual desert boot sneaker with a rubber unit sole. I wanted to have it cemented first butnow I have a strobel sample and I don't know why I wouldn't want this.

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March 27th, 2011, 6:50 pm

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By cemented do you mean board lasted?

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March 27th, 2011, 9:03 pm

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AmplifiedCarpet wrote:Is there anyone here who prefers one over the other? Or would you use it in different situations.

In my case I'm talking about a casual desert boot sneaker with a rubber unit sole. I wanted to have it cemented first butnow I have a strobel sample and I don't know why I wouldn't want this.
not sure what you are asking...i cannot really remember all the cons & pros of strobel v. board v. combination construction, but i think a strobel type construction is the most flexible and uses materials more efficiently as the other constructions have the upper material wrap over the board...i think board lasting is good when a shoe is toe lasted???
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March 28th, 2011, 2:21 am

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Exactly, board lasted. It will be stiffer then and that can have its pros and cons. I also think that the stif shank makes it unecessarily heavy.

The strobel is lock stitched with textile on the edges with a paper board. It is indeed more efficient with materials and it keeps the shoe light and flexible.

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March 28th, 2011, 6:24 am

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Another advantage of strobal over board lasted is that it's less affected by water - if I have to design washable sneakers for kids, then they are made using a strobal construction.

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March 28th, 2011, 9:10 am

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In my experience, the only advantage of board lasting is that the overall shape of the product tends to be tighter and more controlled you might also get less midsole wrap... it depends what your project priorities are. It is comfort and light weight, strobal is the way to go. You can also try California construction, which is more expensive, but comfortable and maintains shape nicely.

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March 29th, 2011, 4:02 pm

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Thanks for the input everyone! I'll be awaiting several new samples and make a decision once I get those.

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March 29th, 2011, 7:48 pm

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yo wrote: California construction
que es eso? example(s) por favor!?
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April 4th, 2011, 8:29 am

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junglebrodda wrote:
yo wrote: California construction
que es eso? example(s) por favor!?

haha, i had someone explain california construction to me at work once, but i still didnt really understand it. that was a few years ago now, and it was in womens dress shoes, so maybe now i will be able to grasp it better. :P

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April 4th, 2011, 8:46 am

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Typically if you are using a RB cupsole you want cemented (board lasted). A RB cupsole like in a boot normally has an eggcrate design inside which you would feel if strobel lasted. Strobel or slip lasted (so many terms, I know) are normally used for athletic shoes that require more flex and lightweight as well as sometimes more stretch to the upper (ie. mesh as opposed to leather).

California construction is less common but used also for athletic shoes. In California construction, the seam is down the middle of the bottom as opposed to the edges of the lasting board. There is also combination lasting which uses strobel in the heel and california in the toe or vice versa.

There are also several other type, FYI such as stitch down, and board lasting in combination with a type of cement being injected during toe and heel lasting as commonly used in soccer shoes.

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April 4th, 2011, 8:54 am

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You can also combination last with board lasting, ie strobal in the heel and board in the toe (for better toe shape). Endless variations!

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April 4th, 2011, 4:36 pm

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You can also 'punch' a star shape in the heel and lines in the forefoot. This will help the board slightly flex where it need to.

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April 9th, 2011, 8:14 am

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rkuchinsky wrote:Typically if you are using a RB cupsole you want cemented (board lasted). A RB cupsole like in a boot normally has an eggcrate design inside which you would feel if strobel lasted. Strobel or slip lasted (so many terms, I know) are normally used for athletic shoes that require more flex and lightweight as well as sometimes more stretch to the upper (ie. mesh as opposed to leather).

California construction is less common but used also for athletic shoes. In California construction, the seam is down the middle of the bottom as opposed to the edges of the lasting board. There is also combination lasting which uses strobel in the heel and california in the toe or vice versa.

There are also several other type, FYI such as stitch down, and board lasting in combination with a type of cement being injected during toe and heel lasting as commonly used in soccer shoes.

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so why use/what are the benefits of the california construction?
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April 9th, 2011, 10:51 am

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LEss material around the edge of the lasting board, so cleaner inside and with assembly is my take on it. I've never really needed to use.

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April 9th, 2011, 1:40 pm

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california constructions sounds like and expensive over use of upper material.
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