If they were not that way they would not be muscle cars. That is one of the benefits capitalist market. If you don’t prefer something, you can buy something else, but clearly there is a group of people that love the brutal aesthetic of the muscle car, so the segment exists.
It’s a good point actually. The original Camaro was fairly lithe. Some really fine details, and a big, light greenhouse. The new one is a chunky, slab sided caricature. It’s not bad, but it’s certainly brutal in a way that classic muscle cars weren’t. Reminds me of the H2 in a lot of ways.
Any difference in how most cars these days are so bloated? Look at a Nissan Z vs. the original…
I do agree that the US muscle cars in particular could go on a diet. Lots of it I’m sure is safety, but no doubt design is a part of it. Even worse I think is the state of interiors. Most new cars and US cars in particular seem to be seas of flat plastic. Checkout a 60’s Thunderbird or any other of the era by comparison. The dash may kill you in a crash, but was damn s3xy!
The lines themselves aren’t that different on most of the cars that were “Retro Rips” like the Challenger and previous generation Mustang. The Charger - that doesn’t count because the product just happened to get the Charger moniker but has nothing to do with the original 2 door coupe which bore it’s name.
The Camaro was more aggressive and futuristic. But the overall trend you notice applies to almost all cars, not just muscle cars.
Big wheels drove higher belt lines. Higher beltlines drove smaller green houses. Pedestrian impact guidelines drove bigger front ends.
We forget as designers that so much of what goes into those designs has as much to do with skirting around all these health and safety guidelines as it does with styles that resonate with people.
I think Cyberdemon is making the most progress in explaining the reasoning. It’s all styling. Big wheels and a chopped look are the trends, muscle cars take it to the extreme.
As for the sources of these trends, I think the big wheels come from advances in tires and a desire to have a race car look. Of course, the first time you buy new tires, you will cry for a return to 14" wheels (like my Miata has btw).
As for the chopped look, I think it is driven by a mixture of paranoia of “others” and a desire to feel protected. Windows have been shrinking on all cars for the last 20 years. This is just the cutting edge, as is the H2 that Scott Bennett mentioned. On one hand it is aggressive, like a Roman military helmet. On the other hand, it is protective, like a welding helmet. Maybe the Jason goalie mask is the best example.
Thanks for the info. I did a little redesign to show what I might have done to make it more in tune with the original and not so blocky. I’m far from a car designer but I wouldn’t imagine these changes would compromise safety.
The shrinking windows bit is an odd thing. From the outside it certainly makes the car look more like a tank, with maximum metal shielding and minimum vulnerable glass. So it would seem to satisfy
But I drove a rental Camero last summer (2010 model I think), and the visibility was crap compared to my Mazda 3 and every other car I’ve driven. I think it was the worst visibility I’ve experienced, which made me feel much less safe while driving.
Right, as was mentioned you cut out the bumper supports completely. You could push them back, but then you lose the distance for which they have to deform, and remember that in a crash your two variables for impact force are distance and speed.
I don’t understand the gigantic wheel trend. I think a car riding around on 20" wheels (or 22" on the Fisker) looks ridiculous. Most race cars run on tiny wheels. F1 wheels are only 13" (dictated by rules). Indycars are 15". It is a severe PITA packaging brakes and decent suspension geometry inside a 13" wheel.
Do you think the body was designed around the frame or do you think they designed the frame to fit in that body?
I would think they take the design and an engineer would figure out how to make it happen.
I could take the bumper into consideration and still make it work. One could extend the front a bit more and use form changes to suggest the lines you want. I’d like to see what the original concept art looked like before the engineers told them it won’t work!!
The original lines on this vehicle are slugish and bland. I think the 2 form changes I made on the door area of the vehicle changed the look to make it sleeker.
Also, can’t the bumper be changed without effecting safety?
I think the Dodge Viper worked very well! Beautiful lines on that car!!! I know it’s not a redesign but it looks bad ass!