The new BMW X3

Seems like BMW is trying to take a new direction. A simpler design like Audi but with no character (I guess.)
Especially the head lamps look dull. They don’t quite match with the rest of the body.
Looks like they are just badly photoshoped there.

Surely disappointed.
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When I saw it pop up on the blogs, I thought, “too boring to comment”.

This thing looks like it was facelifted the first time before it even whent to market.
Not successfully, though…

Maybe Bangle resigned because they wanted to make everything generic like they have with the Z4, and now with this. Meh, this looks even worse than a Rav4, because it’s generic but with an ugly BMW face on it.

I’ve got no beef with the back end, it looks pretty current BMW-ish. Those headlamps though…whew. What happened?

What’s going on over there at BMW?

I could never understand why people hated on Bangle, I think some fantastic work was done on his watch. His successor, Van hooydonk is an amazing designer, and some of the best Bangle era work was done by him in my opinion. Have you ever seen one of his sketches? Amazing stuff.

It seems like they were good creative combination, some of this new stuff just doesn’t seem to have the same set of teeth, but maybe this is transitional work in getting to where Van hooydonk wants to go? I’m personally not a fan but Van hooydonk has suh a track record I’m inclined to think he is going somewhere with this.

In detail, I agree, the back is pretty nice, the body itself a little generic, and the front falls apart for me. Coincidentally I thought the same of the last x3.

I’m sure Van hooydonk is responsible for the current 3 series which I think is one of the best ever, and I love the new 5 series as well. I’m not as much of a fan of the new z4, in many ways it is a more resolved design than its predecessor, faster, sleeker, better proportioned, but it just lost something along the way. You all know I feel the same about the new TT, both cars are icons and hard acts to follow.

I thought Chris Bangle doesn’t even work there anymore. I guess I don’t know how long the design process rolls over from.

Personally, I’m growing weary of the whole SUV genre, bar none.

Nothing [new] to see here folks … just move along … move along.

I absolutely agree both on the Z4 and the TT comment. Especially TT. Such an innovative car when it first came out late 90’s. Mind blowing. But now its just a fancy 2 door coupe. Same as Z4. Powerful and characteristic statement in the first generation, but again, the new version is just a fancy sports car.

Maybe its a challenge for car companies (or maybe a risk) to innovate for the second generation of such powerful cars. I still prefer older Z4 on top of the current one.

A real challenge would be to keep them the same. Imagine if they aesthetically barely changed the TT but evolved what was under the sheetmetal, the substance. They already had an icon in the body. Same with the z4, maybe contemporize a headlamp shape, redo the interior, keep the exterior. I wonder if a car company would ever do this? Footwear and apparel brands do it all the time of course. Don’t we really all just want the 68 vette, not the new one? I think Jaguar is planning on actually doing a limited run of classics, very expensive though.

Yo!: It’s called the 1966-1998 Porsche 911.

1966:

1974:

1990:

1998:

I think the problem is the emotional attachment that some have with the TT and apparently, the Z4. The new ones would be the icons if the originals didn’t exist.

^^^ Good call 914.

Don’t we really all just want the 68 vette, not the new one?

Mmmm … not quite quirky enough for me … make mine a '62; last of the four fixed-headlamps, but with the new “Sting Ray” tail end treatment.

But really, I’d only want a “new” '62 Corvette if it was as easy to service as the original; which just isn’t going to happen any time soon; points, plugs, condenser, distributor, carburetor that you could understand, etc. vs. black boxes, computer modems, etc.

The allure of this old iron is that you have an unique, attention getting vehicle, while the whole “retro” movement was primarily aimed at those who didn’t get to have the real thing when we, ah… they were kids. I think there’s a fine line between the “enthusiast” that drives a restored '68 Mustang and the guy who buys a “new” one even if it looked line-for-line absolutely identical. And regretfully, I can’t envision too many contemporary automobiles surviving anywhere near forty years to even be restored. Some will of course, but the proliferation of molded plastic (virtually everything in, and on the body) and the electronic components (circuit boards, multi-pin connectors, etc.) required in today’s vehicles more than likely will not survive as well as the purely mechanical components of “antique” cars (plain old wire, brass, glass, sheet metal, etc.) nor will it be able to be re-built. e.g. new headlamps and instrumentation; the plastic will degrade, turn yellow, and/or disintegrate … not much left to work with.

K.I.S.S. comes to mind, and current automotive technology doesn’t.
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LMO: good choice. Personally, I’ve always liked the '77. Last of the Sting Ray II with the flying buttresses. I was born in '78, so it’s the Corvette I remember from my childhood.

It’s also interesting what you’ve mentioned about the downside of plastic to restorers. My '90 Miata has a plastic shroud in front of the windscreen, as is common. When I bought the car, it was very faded and broken in half. Luckily, it’s still a part that is stocked by Mazda, but I have no idea how long that will last. The seats are already gone, and no one supplies reproduction seat covers in the aftermarket.

I’ve long considered the Ford Focus to be a future classic because of its highly influential design (which may be more recognized in the future than today). With the valve cover and intake manifold in molded plastic, plus all of the other aesthetic bits, it will be pain to try to replace parts once the current replacement parts dry up.

On the bright side is rapid prototyping. On a recent Adam Carolla Carcast, he discussed his frustration at replacing a plastic bezel on the dash of his Lamborghini Miura. He couldn’t find one on ebay and none of the Lambo-specialists he called had one. Finally, he gave Jay Leno a call who told him to swing by in two weeks. Jay had his team SLA two bezels.

The future of car builders might be a bunch of geeky CAD jockeys printing out parts in an air conditioned office more than a grease monkeys banging sheet metal in a hot garage.

That’s incredible. It’s the likely future of DIY, too. Why buy new, when you can make your own exact replica!

The future of car builders might be a bunch of geeky CAD jockeys printing out parts in an air conditioned office more than a grease monkeys banging sheet metal in a hot garage.

and, alas, with them, the demise of that long black line of shade tree mechanics … … :frowning:

So, I order the replacement Wham-o-Lator off of my vintage 2018 Tata Nano by part number, from a CAD file … it looks right… but when I try to bolt it on, it doesn’t fit … can I return it?

etc.

UNJACK -

You might easily be able to SLA a replica of that “bezel”, but that is a merely
decorational item. For all parts that bear a mechanical function that vision
doesn’t hold true.


LMO: I recently fixed my Ford Focus after two dealer garages failed to diagnose the problem correctly. You still can’t beat a shade-tree mechanic for somethings…mind you, they made $500 on me.

That would be the closest, but not really what I’m saying. Look at the Chuck Taylor, in production for almost 80 years, aesthetically very similar to the original, but in materials, production processes etc are more modern. Now if Porsche made this:

There’s always been something about the corvette I have liked. Maybe it’s just the American muscle?!

Here is an interesting twist to meld the old with the new…

1953 Commemorative Edition Corvette…
http://www.50thcommemorative.com/
http://69.89.25.185/~trexsoft/t-rexsoftware.com/50th/Springstead/index.htm










I saw one of these driving on the highway a few years ago and my jaw dropped seeing it in person. While the design could be refined a lot. I think this is a great example of how Chevrolet could have kept some of the original language while updating the design to current standards.