a flesh colored mouse? No wait,…an ass crack? No thats not it,…oh I get it, its ironic!

thats the problem with online discussion forums, you lose the auditory aspect of verbal communication,… You know:“I was expecting more of a “sexually” inspired shape” he commented ironically. :unamused:

It’s not a bad design. It leverages the “stark” name by being just designerly enough to make you take notice, without the usual starck wackiness that alianates mass market retailers.

It might be a bit of a sell-out, but it is far from bad. I like the clit-esque scroll wheel but that’s me. It is a pretty non-offensive, functional looking piece.

I’m not sure about the earlier comments on it being style over function??? I mean as long as it clicks I think it would work pretty damn good.

The circular mouse apple released with the first i.mac, the one that a lot of people had trouble using, that was style over function (I love mine though, I threw out the optical mouse that came with my last mac in favor of the old circle)

The pill shaped optical mouse from mac that clicks when you don’t want it to click, and doesn’t click when you do but has a nice shiny finish that gets greasy in 5 seconds, was that function over style?

Every product has its faults, and for all you prodigies that don’t believe me, you might change your mind after you’ve gotton a few things in production.

if there is nothing about a product that moves beyond a functional item, a mere comodoty, it will never really take root in people’s lives. If you can create something that people connect to and hold on to instead of pieces of plastic that people ditch in a few months when something with more bells and wistles comes out, then you have succedded in making something worthwihile, and not just a piece of lanfill crap.

My circle mouse from Apple is a great example, I will hang on to that thing as long oas their is USB, man. I dont care if logitek releases a 30 button mouse that has a built in alias manual and will give you a rub and tug at the end of the day, I’m keeping my bondi colored, one button, hard to use circle mouse. If you can do that to someone, that is good fucking design!

Now this is an interesting observation; because you are the first person who I have ever heard who says they like that mouse and continues to use it.

Personally I think t was an interesting idea, reshaping it like that, but upon use it was terrible. It put my hand in such an awkward position that my wrist would fatigue using it.

While I wouldn’t consider that mouse a success, you do. Which would not make it a noteably successful design in my book. You, being the one person who hung on to the mouse while nearly every other one has ended up in landfill, do not view it as a commodity. While I do view it as a commodity. Here’s the rub: as a designer I’d like to know exactly what you prefer about that mouse. seriously, I would.

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Why? Its one of a designer’s most common faults; I have it, you have it, Stark REALLY has it. We think that since we are “Designers” we are superior when it comes to functionality and aesthetics. WE know, therefore we are right. WE have stopped listening and asking the right questions.
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what really caused it to “take root in your life?”

I think the mouse looks nice. Will it work good? I don’t know, but I would not sacrifice form over function with a product like this.


Weirdly enough, I like that little round mouse, too…had tried other ones, but that thing that everyone seems to hate works the best for me.

Why? I got smaller hands than most of you…the lil’ circle mouse is shorter and most importantly in my case is lower. When I use it my hand rests on my thumb and the meaty part of my palm, allowing my wrist to move freely and it fits between my thumb and pinkie in one of the most comfortable positions (for me, of course)…the conventional ergonomic mice are usually higher and more elongated and force me to rest my whole hand on my wrist, eventually cutting off the blood flow and noticeably restricting the range of motion…probably the difference in height is only like a couple mm, but it makes that much difference in my case…and it’s loveable, too, unlike those freaky black enormous dell things we got in our alias lab, they literally gave me hours of pain and scared the shit out of me the first time I saw them…probably designed by a daltonian who wanted to put a boot in French ass and happened to be 6 and a half feet tall…it’s an American way, after all.

Maybe it is because I am young & still in school but what is so bad about it?I really hope that I do not become as jaded as some of you seem to be, at worst it could not possibly perform worst than current mouses (or perhaps mice?).

And this selling out stuff is played out, who is he selling out to? Is that not the point?

Actually I thought I was the only person that held onto the round mouse. Good to hear there are at least two of us!

I used the round mouse as a personal example, trying to stay in the product genre of pc input devices, I kind of forced it a bit. Some other example might have backed my statement up better. I think cars are obviouse ones, why does somone hang onto a '67 Mustang, put all kinds of weekend time and money into fixing and maintaining it when it will never perform as good as a new one, hell a new Nissan 350z would smoke its doors off, but something beyong the sum of its mechanical parts ties it to its owner. Is that one better?

Honestly we spend so much time on the quantifyable side of design: human factors, features, functions, usability. Can’t we at least spend half as much time thinking about the people that use the product as we spend on merely HOW they use the product?

But to answer you’re question, the most adaptatable, customizable system is the human brain/body, if you think about it. I adjusted to that mouse a week or so after everone else in my office replaced it with MacAlly cheapo microsoft looking mouses. I hung in there because the playfull form conected with me in a weird way, or more simpley it just kind of made me laugh, it wasn’t all serious and techy. Now that I have been using it for like 6 years how can I switch, it would be like cheating on it. It would have been better to make that connection with more than 2 people though.

Actually none of them were hiring in the first place. I just setup appts to do some networking and get critiques of my work. So actually I was very open… I sought it out.

Anyways, it was funny when one firm I spoke with, showed my work to previewing the depth of the usability studies and human factors I incorporated into my design process and they responded… well we aren’t looking for human factors specialists. Uh, did I miss something? Did someone give me a PhD in human factors engineering? No, I am still a designer, just one with a greater understanding in usability than most and I guess not as great at sketching.

Ok so here is why I don’t like Stark’s mouse. You have to give it the bene of the doubt cause the picture isn’t so great and I can’t hold the thing but from what I gather:

  1. Agree with Master Blaster. Why conceal the scroll wheel? I didn’t even see it. So automatically it isn’t intuitive that you can scroll with it to the uninitiated. Sure many people may realize that its functions are universal but not all. Does it have two or three buttons?

  2. It doesn’t look to me like it supports the hand very well. The result can mean that the hand will be arched over the mouse. After many years this can create Computer Related Repetitive Strain Injuries (CTD’s) and increase possibility of carpal tunnel or arthritis. Which won’t be funny when you’re 70. The form doesn’t fit a hand as well as this one does:

  1. How about Wireless? Why stick with wires? Transitioning to wireless is cheaper than ever. It allows the user to move the mouse anywhere unimpeded by snags and can be put away when not in use. Not to mention the unsightliness of them (wires).

I would be impressed if it was a wireless mouse that was powered from the friction of the ball, or from motion like the Timex watches, instead of using batteries.

  1. Yummy, how about the hand skin/funk that will collect between the cracks that at the bottom half of the mouse where the palm sits. Cracks collect that crap from slight friction/rubbing when repositioning on the mouse after a long time esp. in heavily used areas. Therefore it would be best to avoid part seams in these areas.

But that’s just my jaded opinion, LOL

and if you want to see some great new mice check out what Logitech’s doing:,CRID=19