international canidates must hold a valid working visa...

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this is rediculous!
i am a european designer looking for a design position world wide…but this stupid visa stuff is giving me a hard time!
if you are not american you are treated like a murderer…
i am just a hard working young designer with a open mind and i want to gain work experiences overseas…but it seems like a no go
so i better start a actor career and earn a lot of money…thats the only way to be accepted world wide…poor world…
if you are famous, rich and important: open doors
it’s nice to be important- but it’s more important to be nice

Goes both ways man.

It’s actually harder for an American to get a job in Europe, especially with EU working regulations.

Jus think how a Thai designer must feel having to pass a medical exam before being allowed in Europe.

The world is never as free as you think. So don’t take the conveniences around you for granted.

Yes it’s tough and unfair if you want to work world wide, especially in a profession that doesn’t really have any restrictions when it comes to location. I have been thinking about going to the USA but I have been put off by the visa regulations.

On the other hand when you really think about in how many countries within Europe we can work in as European citizens! Just by being a citizen of a European country we automatically hold working permits for other European countries. Yes, in some cases we have to apply for a permanent residence permit but usually that is much easier to get hold of than a permanent working permit.

I even think it’s great of how many different cultures we can encounter and experience on this little continent!

Yep I know at least two people who got hired as designers outta school by huge american companies and they are probably gonna have to look for another job now because they couldn`t get a VISA.

Yes working all over Europe is a chance, but come on, everyone knows it`s way easier for an american to get a job in Europe than the opposite.

i think it`s a great loss for both continents, because how can you enlighten people about the rest of the world if people cannot work together ?

Yeah I know its a big phrase.. basically Im very pissed, this visa things might blow my chances to work in the US (I`m french). Maybe becoming a professionnal intern could be the answer…

Yep I know at least two people who got hired as designers outta school by huge american companies and they are probably gonna have to look for another job now because they couldn`t get a VISA.

Yes working all over Europe is a chance, but come on, everyone knows it`s way easier for an american to get a job in Europe than the opposite.

i think it`s a great loss for both continents, because how can you enlighten people about the rest of the world if people cannot work together ?

Yeah I know its a big phrase.. basically Im very pissed, this visa things might blow my chances to work in the US (I`m french). Maybe becoming a professionnal intern could be the answer…

Sorry about that… computer lag problems

Jus think how a Thai designer must feel having to pass a medical exam before being allowed in Europe.

Im asian but not Thai, when i first landed my foot in UK soil the immigration officer in Heathrow asked me to take an XRay, before they finally asked me to literaly took all money out of my luggage and show them how much money that i brought at that time. Believe me, things that you guys complaining is nothing comparing with what i have been through. I am not talking about racist, but there are a lot of companies start to think twice when it comes to hire people from 3rd world country.

Just out of my curiousity, are there any international designer in this forum that actually got hired by an overseas company in this board…???

Jus think how a Thai designer must feel having to pass a medical exam before being allowed in Europe.

Im asian but not Thai, when i first landed my foot in UK soil the immigration officer in Heathrow asked me to take an XRay, before they finally asked me to literaly took all money out of my luggage and show them how much money that i brought at that time. Believe me, things that you guys complaining is nothing comparing with what i have been through. I am not talking about racist, but there are a lot of companies start to think twice when it comes to hire people from 3rd world country.

Just out of my curiousity, are there any international designer in this forum that actually got hired by an overseas company in this board…???

Aside from the visa thing, do europeans think there are fewer jobs over there? The US is ultra competitive too. Is it documented that there are more opportunities in the US?

I’ve worked with two foreign designers here in the US and BOTH were here illegally. One eventually found a company that was shady enough and did some backtracking on paperwork to make him legal. The other one was about to get caught working on a tourist visa and had to get back across the border before he was caught and banned from reentry.

The hard reality is that the doors to America are officially closed, the government just doesn’t have the budget surplus to make a large neon sign to hang around the neck of the statue of liberty.

Every year the number of visas have dropped and that will continue to be the trend. Don’t look for that number to rise anytime soon. Your best options are to stay in the EU and seek opportunities there or get hired by a multinational company. But even then you are facing competition from people in the Eastern European countries who are going to migrate to better opportunities. Why do you think France voted down the recent EU Constitution, they don’t want all the people from the east taking their jobs.

In Europe it’s the old Soviet Block countries and Turks, here it’s the Mexicans. Your going to face the same BS no matter where you go.

The cap on VISA placements for 2006 has been met, meaning that there isn’t anymore H VISAs until next October… at least that’s what I have been told. I am graduating in December, that means the situation is very bad for me. Even if a company decides to hire and sponsor my VISA and files for an application I will have to leave if it doesn’t get approved by the first year.

So much for globalization.

Whoever made the decision of putting a tighter cap on VISA issues is like locking themselves up in their own cage. People are complaining abt losing jobs to foreign resources. I think this is one of the many reasons.

The IT business has made some noise regarding this problem, but I don’t know if any improvement will benefit the ID field.

2 of the big 3 car companies aren’t even willing to interview candidates who need VISA sponsorship. There goes your talents.

The cap on VISA placements for 2006 has been met, meaning that there isn’t anymore H VISAs until next October… at least that’s what I have been told. I am graduating in December, that means the situation is very bad for me. Even if a company decides to hire and sponsor my VISA and files for an application I will have to leave if it doesn’t get approved by the first year.

You can apply for the OPT which allows you to work legally for one year. As far as I know, during that time, if you find a firm that will sponsor for your visa, you will be fine. Once the visa is being processed, you are allowed to work legally. By the way, you won’t be able to travel abroad until you get a visa stamp though.

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I Did!!! it’s like winning a lottery!!!
well… still waiting for approve, but my application got in before the quota was over. I am one of the 65000 lucky winners… :open_mouth:

Im a uk resident and got hired by a company in the USA

its more a case of working for your own company in my case i was initially hired straight out of college in the UK could get a visa for a year then another before the company went broke now i work for my own uk company but consult for companies who are in the USA Canada and europe

however i was hired as European industrial designer as they had a large proportion of sales in europe and differing market needs and accordingly they needed european influence for different tastes

now i dont mean to start a war this is more of a tip for both sides of the atlantic but if your target company has a large office in the US you want to work for but they also sell into Europe in a large way that means theyre european product range is different (and believe me this is often the case) a pretty good reason to get you in there if they are willing and you have the talent the same goes for the opposite side of the3 coin

i currently work in spain admittedly this is europe but the company brought me from the Uk because they couldnt find a Pro E designer with carbon composite experience in spain yes there were lots of designers at Seat who
could A class surface but none who had specialised structural composites experience

and so off to the Americas cup i went

if your a specialist and have that little extra to offer from the US you will get a job in europe easily but if your a stylist who make pretty pictures on X cad package we have them coming out of our ears with bigger egos too!!!

I totally know your feeling. Think about this: even a homeless can work without visa, cuz he is American.
What a lovely country!

Just because you want to work in the States doesn’t give you the right. What justifes your arrogant sense of entitlement when it comes to this? Americans face the same issues when trying to work abroad. You may not like it, but it’s just common sense that the jobs within a particular country, for the most part, go to the citizens of that country. This is like the foreign students who complain that colleges in the States don’t give them financial aid: the aid is there primarily to help American students. again, you may not like it, but it’s common sense.

That said, I agree that a field like design benefits from the cross-pollination of cultures, experiences, and ideas. That’s why there is a certain number of work visas available each year.

I think the biggest reason why this exists is so that large corporations dont “import” foreign workers to work at a cheaper price.

This actually happened in the 1800’s during the beginning of corporate farming. Large farms would import poor european workers from Germany, Ireland, Scottland (anywhere there was a recession) and basically have them work on the farm as indentured servants for a number of years for little or no pay to work of the cost of getting them to the states. I only know about it because the town I live in started this way!

The laws went into effect to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Of course it still happens on farms in Arizona and Texas with Mexico right there… it’s just illegal.

The unfortunate side effect is that talented professionals who want to seek oportunity and experience in other countries and cultures are limited, and if a company wants to hire the most skilled person, regardles of their local, the company has to jump through hoop for the government ang go through a process that can last up to a year (and costs money) just to get that professional on the job.

Kind of a catch 22.

Dude, a homeless person is not competing for your fancy-ass ID job. You’re not better than that person, and your arrogant sense of entitlement (as mentioned before) is shameful. Just because you’re bitter about some job situation that isn’t working out for you, doesn’t mean that you have the right to blame anyone for it. It’s just the way things are. You’re better off finding ways to get what you want than complaining about this here.

Do you really think it is easier for an American to find work in Europe? I had the understanding that there were even fewer ID companies and positions than the USA.

My wife is French and we’ve been very interested in trying her country out for a while, but we’re just beginning to look around for jobs there…