Can anybody tell if hunting for a job outside of the State you live in a more challenging task then looking for a job in the state you live in? Or it is all equal?
I’d say that if you are starting from scratch that it is pretty much equal. except of course for the aspect of not being able to visit the out of state places as easily.
Your best bet in or out of state is to use your contacts or develop some networking.
but if you are referring to looking for work in the United States from in or out of the country, i’d say it would much harder to find work in the US, from out of the US. (well you could find it, but getting interviews and visa’s will be another matter)
I have been told by the headhunters I know that organizations are NOT looking at candidates who need relocation. There is more than enough talent in the local pool so the don’t have to pay for the time and cost of a relocation.
Sorry if this isn’t encouraging.
you have to gamble.
luckily, i have 5 years of experience, but i found my current job through persistence and taking a gamble using personal funds.
i was laid off in early '01 for 7 mos. i took a position in POP design because it was really the only field still hiring. i started looking for another job about 6 weeks after landing that one. it took me about 2 years to get back into my desired industry, in a location i wanted to live in, with a salary i was comfortable with.
i gambled by taking anything i could at a pay cut, just to keep working and improve my skill set. i also gambled by driving 850 miles to interview with my current employer. sure, i worked it around a vacation, but it made me look good in my initial interview. i also had decent expererience with a realistic salary.
don’t trust recruiters or head hunters
sorry, but that is compete bs. if you’re looking for a job right now, you should EXPECT to move. if you can’t afford to move, you should work it out in negotiations. if i was out of work for a year, i’d drive all day and night to get a good interview…on my own dime.
i’ve heard the same. recent too. design manager called by headhunter—get job they wont pay relocation. he works at a big brand manufacturer. headhunter hiring from a big brand manufacturer.
heard similar stories. other good employed designers. but i think it depends. talent always in demand. this guy just called off interview and told them to F off. but not everyone can do that.
weird. i looked for 2 years for my current position. non-relocation was not the prevelant mode.
depends on your situation/motivation i guess.
During your first few years out of school, I would say it’s unlikely to get a good relocation package, if any at all. I was fortunate to get roughly a grand for when I moved (both times.) When you are young, fresh out of school, you probably don’t have many worldly possesions, so $1000 will get you a large enough UHaul.
In my opinion though, if you have 3-5 years experience, one would expect to get a substantially better relocation package. Maybe even professional movers depending on how much crap you have acquired. I’m still trying to live “light.”
In the grand scheme of things, $1000 isn’t much to a company. At least ask for that much.
Oh yeah, you are seriously, seriously limiting yourself by only searching for jobs in your own state. ID is a very small profession and you need to be ready to move at all times. Well, until you get into management maybe.
Tis my 2 cents.
Best wishes to you searching for a job!! I’m not sure, but I think there are more out there now.
i hear you, 6.
the first time i move, the company took care of everything right out of college. i just had to pick up the pre-paid rental truck and drive it.
by the third time, i was asking for professional movers to pack and move me. it was less hectic moving myself, though.
i dunno. i like driving, so i guess an 1600 mile round trip in my own car at my own expense to go after a job i really wanted paid off for me.
$1000-2000 is not a lot of money to relocate someone. it cost me $2000 this time and that includes an extra $300 out of my own pocket for a project vehicle to be transported. my last job was so mind numbing and vapid i would get angry driving home having thought about wasting another 8 hours there. i learned what i could from it and moved on. i look at that position as gainfull employment…i was lucky to have it during that time.
i feel for the junior designers and graduates.
my last relocation close to $7-8k. self-moved. flew out to work + rental car for couple weeks. fly back to pack and drive truck. fly back again to pick up car and drive back. 30+ hotel days looking for home. and i’m single. adds up. makes out of state job hunt harder. not just junior designers. 8+ years too. add family costs and it get real steep.
living light like previously mentioned makes it easier to relocate. i never understood the 30 days in a hotel deal. i prefer a 2-3 day trip to just sign a lease for x amount of time and start looking for a more permanent home.
i’ve been trying to move here for the past 3 years. i won’t be moving long distances again. 8k for a move is pretty silly, unless it was overseas.
maybe i’m just not that picky, i dunno.
i know, i’m a recruiter-yuck, but all the companies I’m handling right now are paying relocation.
I’ve been trying to find jobs out of state and so far everything has come back no because they won’t pay to relocate.
It’s been rough for me because I have an ID degree but the only work I’ve been able to find where I live is in retail / exhibit design. I don’t mind doing it cause it pays the bills but in many ways it hurts me because when I show my portfolio to people they have recently started to see me an an interior architect or interior designer instead of an industrial designer because of the types of projects I’ve worked on. I’m amazed at how many people doing the hiring can’t see past the project and see the skills. I’ve been told “well you certainly know the software and have great skills, but I’m not sure your experience really gives you a full understanding of industrial design and how we implement it here.”
What? five years of school, several years of experience and I don’t understand industrial design. Come on. A friend of mine also recently ran into this when he talked to an employer and they asked him if he knew autocad, he replied that he did and also knew mechanical desktop and other cad tools. But all the person heard was mechanical desktop and said “well we really need someone who knows autocad” Mechanical Desktop IS autocad idiot. What is the problem here.
Now I’m starting to seriously consider going freelance and getting a non-id job to pay the bills. It is just so maddening. I’m also seriously considering getting an MBA because I can’t tell you how many of my friends have gotten jobs with little or no experience in business that pay $20,000 more a year than any ID job is offering now. Even they are dumbfounded. I hear, “wow you have to know way more than me and you are getting shafted with these employers that want to give you pennies.” - “well see ya later I’m off to buy a new car and a house.”
I this just me or are there others having similar problems?
You have to be really careful what you let out in terms of experience and what your portfolio shows, very easy to get pigeon-holed. Even though exhibit is the majority of exp you have, don’t put a lot in your portfolio. Fill your portfolio with your own projects / concepts of the type of things you would want to do or the type of stuff the interviewing company specializes in. You want to show your ability to do what they do. I don’t think too many places look at the skill “translations” from one area to the next so you have to make it easy for them to see, especially straight out of school. So fill your portfolio with related stuff using the skills you developed doing “unrelated” (to them) stuff and you should find your chances and feedback greatly improving. Good luck.
I know this history…I live in South America and the things for ID is pretty ugly here also…I receive an email from a company, through Coroflot…the owner saw my portfolio and he asked me to send by email more samples…ok, I sent more 5 or 6 samples of my work…2 weeks ago…and today I got an email from him, telling that he really liked my samples and he liked the way I drove my concepts for my graduation work at college (it was at my portfolio also…)
But he said he´s looking for an intern, and he just can pay an intern salary (like US$ 300 dollars per month)…what I was earning 3 years ago…I really got disapointed, cause this company has a beautiful work and they are well known in the market here…
Yes, my friend, it´s pretty ugly here…
… and he just can pay an intern salary (like US$ 300 dollars per month) … what I was earning 3 years ago …
But is it more than you are making now? And were you working as a designer then?
If this would be your first “professional” job maybe you should consider it.
where is this company?
in need of experience…
Sorry, I wrote a wrong number…The intern salary here is around US$ 200…
It´s less than I´m making now…I was working for a company as a graphic designer and I was making more than that…I leave this job last December and since then I´m working as a freelance graphic designer, for this same company and more 5 clients…so I´m making more than that now to work at my home…This company is in São Paulo, Brazil, where I live…The situation here is really ugly for a design field, unless you have a lot of good contacts etc…which it´s not my case…