California Prop 8

If you live in California, you probably see the “Yes on 8” banner ad at the top of this page today, courtesy of Google. For those who may not know, this is the constitutional amendment to take marriage rights away from gay couples.

If this pisses you off, I recommend clicking the ad.
Every time you do, they have to pay Google a clickthru fee. Nice.

I know you’re a moderator, but shouldn’t this be in the off-topic discussion?

Well it is a design issue - i do have to click on a web banner that some designer created.

So true, and so it is.

Also forgot to mention that Core77 benefits from each clickthru, so click away!

If you are in California please vote NO on 8.

Well, I guess I’ll pretend we’re in the OT forum, too. =)

Please vote yes on prop 8 and restore the people’s original vote which the silly activist judges arbitrarily declared to be irrelevant.

well i voted no on 8. hooray!

I couldn’t help but notice your response about Californians deciding whether to keep gay marriage legal or not. I’d like to remind everyone that (for the moment anyway) California is a sovereign state and the rest of the country doesn’t get to decide for us, Californians do.

Statehood does not mean isolationism. It does not mean we don’t work together with other states. However, it does mean on state matters we decide our fate - not the rest of the country, not some wacko part of the country that happens to be in the Union.

I’m not saying I should have a say as a non-California resident, I’m arguing that the people of California’s original decision is valid and the California supreme court had no business nullifying it. I think that’s a valid argument.

Also, I object to you comparing Utah residents to Ahmadinejad and Putin (if that’s what you were doing–those were the whackos I was referring to). The whacko polygamists in Texas have nothing to do with the LDS Church.

Objective research on child development shows that children raised in homosexual families miss out on psychological certain psychological benefits that kids raised in traditional families have. It’s not about hate.

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Kids and family are different than marriage. Marriage is not the same as a family. It’s a legal contract between two people. It’s a contract based in love, but it’s a contact that grants each person rights recognized by the state and federal government. I’m currently married and have no intent on having children. I would hate to have someone’s beliefs on what marriage should be take away the rights my husband and I have.

Majority doesn’t rule–If the majority vote on something that’s illegal, the courts have a right to reject it. Same goes for congress. Consider the popularity of segregation laws among whites in the South during the civil-rights era, and imagine what would happen if we allowed the majority to continue to rule!

“Prop 8 is about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. Prop 8 is about whether Californians are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.”

Since when is marriage a right? Is that in the state constitution? (Curious, don’t know) It’s not in the Federal one. Just like health care and privacy are not rights, people just call them that.

Just because they aren’t spelled out in the Constitution doesn’t mean they aren’t rights. I give you the Ninth Amendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

In other words, what we’ve listed above are some of your rights, you may have more that we haven’t listed. (And if marriage isn’t a right, what is?) I still think the Libertarian approach is the best on this particular issue: the government has no business being involved in marriages at all, either in sanctioning them or denying them. It should be a private contract between consenting adults.

Well, on a purely economic basis, traditional marriage is ideal since there are more babies and those kids are psychologically healthier, as mentioned above. It’s good to have a nice discussion about this.

I don’t buy your “psychologically healthier” argument. where did you hear that… and dont say bill orielly.

Divorce and abuse are bigger, more damaging issues. Spend your time preaching about those. You would also probably see kids rot in a horrible foster care system than have a pair of people (who happened to be same-sex) care and provide for them.

This brings up a nice point, is it wrong to deny basic rights to people who chose to deny them to others?

I feel it is quite alright, in some settings. If you come to my home, or are in my car, then well I will probably be ‘messing’ with you. Nothing mean, but if in the right context, well a point will be made.

I recomid prop 8 the musical to everyone.

In terms of magnitude, you’re right. However, vices are vices. I speak out against things that I think are harmful or bad, whether a little or a lot. Also, I’m not preaching, just sharing my opinion like everyone else here. No hard feelings.