Same, often the object I’m talking about is only a tool to discuss process innovation, go to market strategy, org change, and business impact… but people still like to have something to look at. I’m amazed when people come in for a more senior design positions and they discuss design the way a fresh grad would… on the flip side, when a candidate with just a couple of years experience comes in talking too much about the big picture, it makes me feel like they are not focusing enough on design, and that I’m being sold too hard. It is a gentle balance I suppose.