Should IF be Shamed to award a pirating work?

This is the one I was talking about:

Available on Alibaba.

I imagine it uses a resistive switch technology.

BTW, invention of the 1970’s.

To nxakt,
aha…Don’t you know what kind of camera can catpture nearly 180 degree field of vision? or even 360 degree ? just Google it and it is too easy!( Guess your coming question, I would like to prompt you in advance to think carefully about whether it matters with the twist image) And you seem also lack of patent knowledge. You would not mention the difference between one camera and two cameras if you do. There is not different in patent description files. What you said is that one camera is not innovative but two cameras is innovative, right? aha…very funny. I want to ask you a question: Have you ever applied any patent? not shape patent.
However some other kinds of comments are far from the topic.There is not essence difference between the two designs.The problem of tactile feedback occurs also on TransluSense. Do you have any tactile feedback if you use TransluSense? Is it the reason IF refused my design but awarded TransluSense?
Can you tell me more details on how to judge original and pirating ? I mean the standard? I don’t care what kind of opinion you have according to these words…If I ask you whether you are shamed without knowing camera with 180 degree, you may answer directly: not really! …
I am also willing to see whether TransluSense will succeed on the market. I can easily persuade some stupid investors to produce my design if he succeed. Maybe we all will see which design is better at that time.

To Greenman ,
You’d better compare the patents and the two designs carefully since you seem have some patent acknowledge.
Your opinions on feedback maybe right. But you still not tell me what is the difference between the two designs. You mean TransluSense has feedback ?
“there are many example of simultaneous invention throughout history” I think you should distinguish “invention” and “imagination”. And “inventions” are also different. My transparent keyboard is different with the one of LG.Do not tell me that we can not “invent” a new transparent keyboard since there is already a transparent keyboard. You can invent a new product with new technology, which is a basic knowledge.
It is out of range for intellectual property protecting.Further more, it should not be the excuse of pirating if the work is not patented.

Anyway, discussions can make us clearer and clearer.So, welcome more professional comments.

Great! Mr-914, you have done a good job. So you need study some patent knowledge next.Or require a lawer to distinguish the difference if you don’t want to study.
haha…it is funny.

I know why you don’t feel shame now, and also IF!.

Perhaps you lack deductive logic.

You are correct, both of them suck ergonomically.


Agreed, but perhaps the developers of the TransluSense were better able to articulate their design process, technology, and product benefits while at the same time not coming off as whiny douchebags with a China superiority complex.

Clearly, you don’t care about our opinions, in terms of details on pirating, I think you guys have that market cornered, so, you tell us eh?

It won’t, read my comment about referring to ergonomics that suck

If your powers of persuasion are exemplified by your comments here and on your blog then I sincerely doubt it. But hey, we here will bear in mind that you think investors are stupid and if we see any of your work in the future we’ll advise potential investors of that fact.

I did the search and used deductive reasoning, you do the homework, it’s your project.

I assure you that they are.

Ergonomically they both suck, so that can’t be the difference. Since your deductive reason aptitude appears lacking I will connect the dots for you. The developers of Translusence did a better job articulating their design with process while avoiding being douchebags. You whipped up some slick renderings, did a top level Google search within your government’s limited internet access laws, and slapped it over to Yanko. So if there is a difference, then that would be it.

Thank you for that gripping assessment of the differences, all this time I thought my imaginary friends were people that I invented. Did you patent your design before going public with it? No? Then bad on you.

Agreed, patents very often built upon combining existing technologies in innovative ways. The point is that if you offer a very similar product then you have to distinguish its benefits in the marketplace. How is yours better? Why? Because you thought of it first?

How’d I do?

This is a true “forum frenzy”, when will it be “shut’er down time”? Greenman 1 - China nil

No lock coming from me. I haven’t seen a classic Fisking job in EONS…

Where’s my popcorn?

It seems to have 2 issues. Stealing in terms of patent law and stealing in the case of the contest.

For the patent it boils down to your independent claims. For example, if you only claim a single camera and don’t claim more than one camera, the other company effectively broke your patent. And it’s completely legal. But that’s why we have lawyers to write them in the first place. And that’s why we have lawyers to interpret the independent claims. Also, since the other company has yet to commercialize their keyboard, it would be pointless to file a claim as there is no revenue to recover to pay your expensive lawyers. Sure, you could sue them on principle, but I hope you have deep pockets.

As for the contest, it is unreasonable to expect the judges to know of every obscure design that may have preceded what they are judging. They cannot possibly know every design, published or unpublished. Have you written them, hopefully in a non-accusatory manner, about the possible copying? With evidence of copying instead of “I sez so”. If not, what’s the point of complaining to an anonymous interawebz board?

@jamesking -
You’re still pushing this virtual keyboard thing even after 5 years?

Speaking of inspiration - You know what would be a cool design…

A faucet - but instead of a drip it’s a lightbulb!

OMG…this just keeps getting better!

I’d be more worried about that James Anthony ripping off James Kings name.

Have you seen those bicycles with hubless wheels? swwwwweeeeeeettttt!!!

Many. And they issued with real numbers. However the vast majority of work the work that I do is done without patents, because I know I can innovate faster than the majority of my competition and I dislike the patent system and the litigation required to defend it.

I conclude from you ignoring my question, that you did not ever build a prototype. Although I have also done countless renders, I have also designed product that reached the real world. Some of that work was copied by other companies, including exact 1:1 replication. It is the sincerest form of flattery.

+1.

For everyone wanting the old days of the Core boards back: enjoy!

James: I know how you feel too. I pitched ideas numerous times, never got it passed stage one and then saw it on the market 3-5 years later. Unfortunately, that’s life.

Do you have a patent? Post your patent #. Is it in China only? If it is, Europeans and Americans are within their rights to copy your design without punishment. Even more so, because it’s been in the public domain for (at least) five years.

Lastly, did you have an experienced translator go over your entry to IF? I work in a second language. It’s difficult! For really important things, like my C.V., I always have a couple of native speakers go over it before I send it. Maybe that was your problem here. I have to say, after re-reading your posts and your blog links, I still don’t understand exactly what you are complaining about.

P.S. Settle down. No one came here to attack you.

LOL, “dft;s” (don’t feed the troll’s)…good times, good times.

(raises virtual hand) ummm I am available to supply a bit of assault, a little out of practice but the OP here is playing in my metaphorical sand box. :slight_smile:

In America, we have an expression, please observe the following illustration and pay extra attention to the fact that the horse never comes back to life.
te1dd1a_beating-a-dead-horse.gif

Oh…I know this one…don’t tell me…

You’re punching a sleeping llama!

Greenman wrote:
You are correct, both of them suck ergonomically

I am curious why a “suck ergonomically” work was awarded IF ? You mean IF has a bad sense in judgement? I am willing to see how your works are not ergonomics suck! Or maybe your works are all suck so that you think all other kinds of works suck!

NURB -
You’re still pushing this virtual keyboard thing even after 5 years?

why not since someone is liking to copy it and push it on the market even after 5 years! Further more, this is not a virtual keyboard!

nxakt

Many. And they issued with real numbers.

You applied by yourself or agency? it is useless for you to understand patent if you apply through agency.You can know nothing but some basic knowledge from them. I can not believe you are professional on patent but mentioned a obviously amateurish issue. You know why? Every inventor hope to widlely protect his/her invention so that he/she must try to avoid some finite words, such as numbers, materials and colors if it is not necessary. The reason is that, like the keyboard, the patent can be easily pirated if you define one camera when others use two or three cameras. If I define the transparent material with glass, you may use transparent plastic or other kind of transparent materials.Therefore the patent is meanless. So, it is impossible for a professional to focus on one or two cameras. On the other hand , how do u know that there is only one camera in my design? Only through the picture ? It is only a design, not the real solution. In fact, two cameras located at one point towards two dirrections is a possible solution when it is produced.

Are you confident with your experience and judgement?

About prototype, I think it a useless issue though you always ask. Not all the patents need prototype. I never built one for my patents.

Mr-914
“James: I know how you feel too. I pitched ideas numerous times, never got it passed stage one and then saw it on the market 3-5 years later. Unfortunately, that’s life.”

I feel nothing in fact and it is common. Don’t worry. the post is not about stage. Please read the post carefully. You may understand it when you read it thousands of times if it is hard to understand.

About patent, I already said clearly: it is still a copy even if others are not patented.right? Can you declare that it is your design if you copy a Beatles car and just because the design has been in public? Don’t you think it strange?.

P.S. I never said someone is attacking me. And it is normal if someone does.After all it is not acceptable for someone to admit pirating. I can understand you.

Sorry for my frankly speaking, there is no relationship between the patent you posted and my design at all therefore I ask you to learn some patent knowledge, which may hurt you and someones else. They are obviously different technologies even if you know some simple technology( this also sharp words…)

I open a group in http://www.yisheren.net to simply explain some patents issues. Here is the thread:
http://www.yisheren.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=48&extra=page%3D1
You can easily find the author’s works, blogs and videos, not only his/her barren words. It is more interesting here.

I may open a patent class for someones who can not exactly distinguish different ones in the future. Would you like to join ? ? You need pay much in your country to learn that. Of course you need not if you think you have enough patent knowledge. up to you.
cheers!

Please re-read this thread thousands of times if it is hard to understand.