Chevis - I was unclear on comment 3. My POV is that if a designer isn’t involved in the mass production of goods, or their work focuses on social critique, then they aren’t really part of the Industrial/PD world. They are probably fine artists or craftsmen. Personal aside: when I see one-off art pieces by Dutch “design” collectives, it kind of makes my blood boil to see it is presented in a design context. It is art or satire or social critique. Not design. The fine artists would be barred from membership in my scenario.