A new design organization?

I’d like to see what I don’t see from IDSA, WIIFMs (what’s in it for me). I want an ROI, it isn’t too much to ask.

I am, or have been, a member to several healthcare professional societies. All of them, contrary to IDSA (Industrial Designers Society of America, not Infectious Diseases Society of America where I am a member), offer accreditation and continuing education, my 2 largest WIIFMs. IMO, we are the Rodney Dangerfield of professions without accreditation, we are not held up to any standard.

But my biggest complaint is not having any CE offered by IDSA. Industrial design is perfect for me because it requires a great breadth on knowledge and not necessarily a great depth until it is required. It is what keeps me interested, learning new things. I cannot handle the repetitiveness of so many other professions. We are expected to have a very broad grasp as shown by the diverse categories on this board, any many areas of knowledge, human factors, medical regulations, lean, anthropology, etc, aren’t included. Any society I would join would have to offer CE credits so I can be kept fresh and expand into other areas. Wasn’t there a thread just a while back about the difficulties of crossing over from one area to another? It would be great if the transition from shoes to packaged goods was made more simple. CE could accomplish that.



And of course, I would never join a society that would have me as a member. :wink:

Love this and have lots of ideas. Off for Canada today but will keep thinking and post some thoughts soon. +1 Yo for starting the discussion. I think this could get very interesting.

First thing I’d like to throw out there is a reconsideration of the regional model. These days with all the web has to offer things could be better grouped. By industry, skills, experience, interest, etc. Not to say local events can’t happen but the main focus on regional chapters seems out of date to me.


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I love this thread.


I’d want to see some accreditation, come with the membership or to get the membership. AIA seems to stress this and people respect architects for passing a test and all that, Engineers too. I like local informal things, and fun get together deals as well. My local AIGA chapter has fun things all the time, and people come to them. I try to do that and they tend to fall flat, and I really don’t know why. I use to host get together’s in school and had really good turn outs all the time.

When I think about IDSA National it’s like a cloud and I can see a few things in the mist, but I cannot figure out what is wrong. However I know something is not working (other then the website…). the new site is better.

It true, the IDSA wants you to put IDSA after your name, but all it means is that you paid money.

I see the need for two organizations:

  1. Design Club
    It’s all events, social mixers, networking, connecting students to potential mentors. It’s free to be a member and get on the invite list, events have a small fee for an open bar, or no fee and a cash bar. Maybe a come before a certain time and its free? Pretty much like the OLD Core77 offsite series, but all the time and all over the world.

  2. Design Illuminati
    Global virtual organization, NO in person meetings, need to pass a portfolio review to get in by an admissions board of select member volunteers that need to be nominated by the group. Private message board, online webinars, maybe a TED like conference but all virtual, all invite only… AND you get to put letters after your name (DI) or whatever.

DC is the inclusive, fun group that gets people into design, DI is the exclusive aspirational organization. DC is the dance floor, DI is the VIP room.

So let’s do it.

Can we have rings like the Freemasons?

I’m down, let’s move on it, what can I do?

I like the all-inclusive and the admitted group dynamic, as long as these two groups mix. I could see this existing in a space like google wave, realtime, online, collaborative community and then pop-up for in person meetups. The way twitter tweet-ups work right now are very casual, inclusive, organic and feel “now”

SEGD is another organization that seems to be doing things right. They have a great national conference, and smaller regional groups. But, most of the work they do is backed up by white papers, and it’s free to the public. Their recent work with ADA signage guidelines was adopted at the federal level and they helped voice the opinion of the designer to keep our world a better looking place.

DC does sound like a fun time. Would it be across all branches of the design world? I think that would be awesome because you could mix all disciplines and get a very diverse crowd together to share their knowledge. All over cocktails!

There is no try only do! I love your idea YO. I would be excited to be apart of this!

+Playing a little bit of devil’s advocate here, maybe, but this is how I felt as I was reading…

This is kind of funny, as I see Core77 Forums as serving many of the functions that are being described of the Design Club, as well as the medium that I am currently reading it in. A lot of these old organizations existed or came about to help organize and connect people because there was insufficient resources or technology to make connections and organize historically, but times have changed. Now it seems we are focused on trying to adapt the old to the new out of a sense of nostalgia (constantly trying to update IDSA’s website) rather than just embracing the new be it Core77, Behance, LinkedIn, etc or partner with these entities where it makes sense.

all this being said
I am an IDSA member and continue to be for as long as I still find it valuable, but this discussion is really getting me thinking.

I don’t think it’s practical for one organization to do it all. And it’s been pointed out that it’s hard to justify high fees when so much of this stuff is available for free. So let’s look at who does what well, and where that leaves the opportunity:

Core77 is great for:
News
Jobs
Portfolios
Forums, SIGs
Directory

IDSA is great for:
Conferences & in-person networking
IDEA Awards
Student programs

TED is great for:
Free virtual conference/online lectures

DMI is great for:
Case studies & publications

LinkedIn is great for:
Jobs
Networking
SIGs
Posting what you’re up to

Corporate Design Foundation is great for:
Advocacy
Case studies

UK Design Council is great for:
Advocacy
Case studies

PDMA is great for:
Certification (general Product Development)
Case studies
Local events

AIGA is great for:
Conferences
Awards
Catering to Experience Designers & new media

Unmet needs/opportunity for a New Design Organization:
Optional certification (like PDMA)
Pragmatic design awards
Mass-market design magazine (to replace ID)
Training/Education/Certificates

I agree with you CG. Although I think we can all agree that IDSA needs work, I do see the value. There needs to be a boots on the ground face to face networking organization for ID. I personally think the issue is that these organizations don’t collaborate enough. I don’t think we need a new organization, but rather make the ones we have work.

What needs are not being met by existing organizations? What are the greatest challenges facing designers and PD people? That seems like the place to start.

This is the same question I was asking. I posted a question of “What would your IDSA look like?” This is what I was getting at. I think if we take the animosity and hurt feelings away and try to think of this in a business manor we can look at what is not there, what we need, what is there that is working, and how do we work to fix them. Sounds like a tall order, but it can be done.

Don’t forget about the Innovations Magazine… it was probably the most tangible thing I felt like I recieved from having a membership and really enjoyed them. Was that done away with too? it was similar DMI reviews but a more accessible.

I don’t think it’s been mentioned, but many countries have a design policy group within the government. It’s hard to say how effective they are for the needs of individual designers, but I think that’s what funds the design council (which is free) and actively promote design to small businesses. Korea has one too.

Another design org in the UK is the MCSD (Member of the Chartered Society of Designers). I think it might not offer much though

Nope, the Winter 2010 Innovation is being finished up as we speak.

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I think much better business content or business guidance is a need for a revamped IDSA or a new org. This outline represents a lot of the kind of content (by no means comprehensive) that always seems lacking, yet essential. This is an example of the kind of business content I think many designers could benefit from, especially coming out of school. Does this information exist? Sure, in 60 different places, and only if you know to look. If IDSA or other could consolidate this info in a concise and easy to follow way, it would be great.

I. Good business content
a. Legal aspects of business
i. Contracts
ii. Patents
iii. IP and confidentiality
iv. Applicable Tax law
v. Labor law
vi. Liability
vii. Risk management practices
b. Common development practices
i. Consumer

  1. Six sigma
  2. QFD/TQM
  3. Stage Gates
  4. Etc
    ii. Medical
  5. FDA and ISO and impact on design practices
  6. How to talk to doctors about design
  7. Etc
    c. Working with different kinds of organizations at different levels
    i. Publicly held
    ii. Privately held
    iii. Nonprofits
    iv. Inventor/startups
    v. As a client versus inhouse
    d. Consulting basics
    i. What needs to be in a design brief
    ii. What needs to be in a proposal
    iii. How to build project budgets

Excellent list. I totally agree that much of that information does exist in dozens of locations around the interwebs and that’s why I’ve been pushing the Professional Interest Sections to see themselves more as aggregators as opposed to generators of content. Sure, some of the Section activities my actually generate new content, bit all too often it comes down to knowing where to get that information.

Also, I noticed that a lot of list actually matches up pretty closely to many of the Sections we do have. if you’re not familiar with the Professional Interest Sections, you can go here: Sections - Industrial Designers Society of America Also, I created a guide to help explain what the Sections are and how they are supposed to plug into IDSA. That guide can be downloaded from here: http://www.idsa.org/content/content1/story-connexx

As always with a volunteer-driven organization, the challenge is finding folks willing to participate and contribute to this aggregation of content. If anyone out there is interested in helping out, please drop me a note.

~w~

Sections should be changed to Resources, or break it down at that top level to Design Resources, Business Resources, etc. As is it sounds like a subset of local chapters - the word choice, not the layout. Also, Resources content doesn’t seem to load (the individual tabs), but everything else does. I assume it is under construction?

I think your observation regarding the name "Sections’ is an interesting one. There should be a part of the website dedicated to your idea of “resources”, but what I believe the Sections represent is slightly different. I think that perhaps there’s been some different ideas regarding the core purpose of Sections with regards to content. From my perspective ans as the Section VP, I don’t necessarily see the Sections as the primary generators of content specific to their Sections. Rather, I see them as possible aggregators of content (“Hey, where can I go to find info on X?”), but more importantly I see Sections as the creators of community and networking oriented around an area of interest as opposed to a geographical area like the Chapters. That’s why I don’t necessarily agree that Sections should be renamed to be merely Resources, although I agree IDSA should provide those as well.

I think you will find that some members join IDSA to plug into their local design community–which is tremendously important. But others are looking to connect with like-minded designers who share a particular interest or expertise. Furniture designers like to talk about furniture, UX designers have their own language and interests, same goes for folks involved in medical products… That’s what the Professional Interest Sections are intended to provide.

In addition, I see the Sections as ambassadors of design and IDSA’s message as those Section members engage other groups (like the medical product development community, or business community, or materials and manufacturing community). They have the opportunity to represent and be the voice of Design in the broader business community. That outreach is happening, but obviously not at the pace and scale that I would like.

BTW, which “Resources” aren’t loading? Send me the link that isn’t working and I’ll check it out.

FYI, anyone is welcome to submit their critiques of the website (e.g., what doesn’t make sense, what doesn’t load, what you can find, etc.)… Despite some of the broad swipes made at the website (it is a work in progress), we’ve received very little comprehensive and constructive design and UX reviews which are actually useful.

~w~

bcpid and I want totally different organizations. He wants to mix it up with business types, I do that all day and it’s the last thing I want from a design organization. I think the issue is more that the current organization tends to try to be all things to all people satisfying none.

Do you really want to learn about six sigma from a design organization. I do not. I want it to be about design, for design, by design. Curating our past, explaining our present, and shaping our future. My list is simple:

1)Past: History of design, major players, how it effected culture from the industrial revolution to today, how that relates to what we do now

2)Pressent: How to hire designers, how to build design into an integral part of your organization, design firm start up kit (contracts, legal stuff, blah, blah), design awards, design networking, PR for design as a creative discipline that has massive cultural impact

3)Future: defining design education, student mentorship program, thought leadership

before anyone says IDSA already does this, if it really did, I wouldn’t have had to write this.