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BLADE RUNNER 2049... (spoilers)...

Postby slippyfish » October 9th, 2017, 12:47 pm

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...exceeded expectations. There's fan service and a small handful of easter eggs, but novel in character development, pacing, cinematography, and technological wizardry of the future.
The city dump was appalling and hilarious.
Plenty of very refreshing ID/UI candy not cliche'd or intended to draw attention to itself, just very cool.
Saw it in AMC Dolby Cinema which was packed and worth the $18 admission.
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Postby skyarrow » October 9th, 2017, 2:25 pm

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I sorta want to see it, but then I feel like a bit of a poser since....

... I didn't really like the original.

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Postby slippyfish » October 9th, 2017, 6:40 pm

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I was hostile to the idea of Ryan Gosling being connected in any way/shape/form to Blade Runner but his character and performance changed my mind.

Maybe this new one will change yours too!
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Postby yo » October 9th, 2017, 7:39 pm

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due to travel, I haven't had a chance to see it, so I have not read anything above, but I thought I'd leave this hilarious Gosling / Ford interview right here:


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Postby WSMI » October 10th, 2017, 6:24 am


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My girlfriend and I saw it and had the same general thoughts. Thought it was good, liked many aspects of it, questioning various aspects since seeing it, weak third act and I.

FWIW, think the first one was good when it came out and have watched it a couple times since. I certainly haven't watched it with the same 'eye' or expectations as 2049.

This is a movie I want to see again, to see how it washes over me, now that the hyped, super expectation 1st viewing is out of the way.

A couple random thoughts:
-Slippyfish: When I saw the city dump, I half expected to see Wall-E zip by in the background.

-So was Burning Man, or Mardi Gras happening when the 'Great Catastrophic' happened? Is that why there's all those large human forms in the desert? Did I miss an explanation?

Saw parts of that interview. Fantastic.

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Postby MK19 » October 10th, 2017, 6:44 am


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I forced myself to watch the original film so that I could watch this one. Having heard from the generation older than me that it is amazing. I was very disappointed because the story was cliche and over used, but I understand how at the time this might have been original at the time. What a shame I was not born 20 years+ earlier.

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Postby ralphzoontjens » October 10th, 2017, 7:09 am

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The original film has its ups and downs but overall it's a classic because it's one of the first if not the first film to give such a complete picture of a future world and all its implications. I heard the new film is much overhyped but am still going to see it for the cinema-factor.
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Postby Mehaffey » October 10th, 2017, 8:40 am


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Blade Runner is by far my favorite movie. Saw it in '85 and dozens of times since and will likely watch it more. I was wary about the new one, but I think the overall story, characters, futuristic setting/environment held up and I truly enjoyed it. Nearly a 3 hr movie, though.

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Postby yo » October 10th, 2017, 10:29 am

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MK19 wrote:I forced myself to watch the original film so that I could watch this one. Having heard from the generation older than me that it is amazing. I was very disappointed because the story was cliche and over used, but I understand how at the time this might have been original at the time. What a shame I was not born 20 years+ earlier.


Even without the context I think a designer would appreciate the sparsity of the plot, dialog, and compositions.

With context, understanding that it was one of the first SciFi movies with this kind of design and production budget, and the first to pioneer the concept of "what is human" across AI/Robots (the first time that Robots are shown as not being mechanical, but biological, they are in essence clones) and as a metaphor to what was going on when it was written in regards to race, segregation and the civil rights movement (The book was written in the 60's). Some people credit it with being one of the first dystopian SciFi movies, which isn't true at all. Metropolis, which is one of the the first SciFi movies period (from 1927!) was dystopian. And of course Logan's Run, THX, yada yada yada. It was however one of the first SciFi movies were the future looked a lot like the past and the present. The future isn't made in a day, it is layered. The new things are layered onto of the old, and the old stuff tends to decay all around. Look around any modern city and you can see that.

That said, not everyone is equipped to (or needs to) appreciate films that are so atmospheric, ethereal, and metaphorical that speak to the existential crisis that all of us face. It isn't a shoot 'em up filled with one liners and space fighters. Nothing wrong with that. I love Star Wars just as much as the next guy, but talk about a cliche plot. It is straight out of a greek tragedy. Still love it.

If you couldn't tell, I love Blade Runner. Saw it for the first time as a kid on VHS in the 80's and didn't understand half of it (or see half of it, those VHS tapes couldn't replicate the tonal range). I've probably seen it dozens of times in all of its versions and I've read the book (along with every other Philipp K Dick book) a couple of times. I highly recommend reading the book. The plot is a lot more dense and doesn't run totally parallel to the movie, but it gives you a lot more detail as to why things are the way they are that they could never cover in a movie. It is a quick read.

Side note, Philipp K Dick dies before the movie was released, but Ridley Scott showed him a rough cut of the movie just before he passed and he loved it. Must have been a huge relief of Scott since they had to change the script so much to get it into a movie form. But Dick appreciated that they captured the oppressively layered atmosphere he was trying to describe.

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Postby MK19 » October 10th, 2017, 11:21 am


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I am a big fan of Metropolis and other dystopian films (which I agree Blade Runner isn't). Talking from a movie perspective and not being old enough for this to have been unique to me though, it does not hold the same value.

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yo wrote:
MK19 wrote:That said, not everyone is equipped to (or needs to) appreciate films that are so atmospheric, ethereal, and metaphorical that speak to the existential crisis that all of us face. It isn't a shoot 'em up filled with one liners and space fighters. Nothing wrong with that. I love Star Wars just as much as the next guy, but talk about a cliche plot. It is straight out of a greek tragedy. Still love it.

If you couldn't tell, I love Blade Runner. Saw it for the first time as a kid on VHS in the 80's and didn't understand half of it (or see half of it, those VHS tapes couldn't replicate the tonal range).


yo - knowing your passion for dystopia, 2049 takes it to a heartbreakingly extreme level. SoCal of the future utterly sucks.
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Can't wait, I've got tickets for 5pm tonight! Trying to not read this topic too closely to avoid spoilers but I'm sure I'll have a cornucopia of opinions tomorrow. Rewatched the original last night. I hadn't seen it in a long time and it was nice to see it on a 4k TV with a great home theater system. First time for that. It really brought the soundtrack to life!

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yo wrote:
MK19 wrote:If you couldn't tell, I love Blade Runner. Saw it for the first time as a kid on VHS in the 80's and didn't understand half of it (or see half of it, those VHS tapes couldn't replicate the tonal range).


Yo, I still have the VHS if you are just dying to watch it again :) Don't have a VHS player anymore.

I was a Sr in design school when I saw Blade Runner the first time at the free campus movie and was hooked. Syd Mead spoke at the Southeastern IDSA Conference in '85 or '86 and it was interesting to meet him and hear his take on how he approaches his futuristic environments. Very entertaining presentation. All this contributes to it being my favorite movie.

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I've stepped up to blue ray, so I'm good... thanks though. :-)

I saw Syd speak in school as well. It was interesting hearing him say he struggled with it because he is such an optimistic person and the idea of making everything so dystopian and run down was difficult for him.

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Postby yo » October 12th, 2017, 11:22 am

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So, I really liked it. I loved the original, but I did really like this one. Not an easy task to accomplish.

I think in a lot of ways this new one is more true to the book. The hugely expansive, more hugely messed up world was something very present in the book, as was the much larger cast of characters. Interestingly, Rachel was actually a villain in the original book, much closer to the Luv character. The replicant underground is present in the original book as are replicant police officers. Int he book the replicants had built a completely counter society that paralleled humans and was indistinguishable with the goal of mixing everybody up. VR simulations and getting lost in them, also in the book (pretty good for something written in the 60's)

What I did like about the original was the more intimate story. It is in essence a love story between a human (or maybe human, we don't know) and a replicant and asks a big simple question, what does it mean to be human and does it even matter? All these barriers we create are fictional.

I also liked the original sound track MUCH better. I know a lot of people are going goo goo over this new soundtrack, but it feels like a dozen other movie soundtracks that all of have the big distorted BWAAA! sounds. The original soundtrack was so delicate and spontaneous and was a nice counterpoint to the visuals. Vangelis (the original soundtrack composer) improvised most of the soundtrack with a few synthesizers riffing over a rough cut of the movie. Vangelis also did the soundtrack for Chariots of Fire. Probably one of the most iconic movie melodies ever.

In the end, I thought it was very very good. The acting was excellent. Amazing that they kept so much of the story under wraps. The world building was awesome. I felt like it just din't have quit the same emotional punch or cliff hanger of the original.Unfortunately it didn't do well in the box office so we might have to wait another 25 years for the next one.

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