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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Generatewhatsnext » October 28th, 2016, 8:27 am

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KenoLeon wrote:Love this time of the year when new stuff comes out, speaking of things you can sketch on, I wanted to mention this guy since I think no one has:



I was mildly excited about it( digitizer + pc + analog in a portable ff) , but reviews have been less than kind.


I was excited reading about this one, too - what a fresh take on sketching; it's digital, it's analog, it's both all at once but right there on-screen at the same time. Unfortunately, it looks like they used low end guts to keep it simple - I think it only has an atom processor and limited ram? Looks like something perfect for comic sketching. This guy will probably give it a review; http://surfaceproartist.com/
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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby MK19 » October 28th, 2016, 12:18 pm


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NURB wrote:He uses illustrator primarily for technical drawings (as do I)

How?

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby louis leblanc » October 30th, 2016, 11:15 am

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Very well done by Microsoft. As Keno noted, this is certainly a halo product. Other than if you have a use for a very high end screen with direct pen input, you're not getting a lot for your money. With that said, it's certainly a nice option vs the 27" wacom cintiq which is almost the same price, a much lower resolution and obviously doesn't include a full computer.

I think Microsoft's strategy is paying off on the Surface line and by extension Windows 8 to Windows 10. The premise was fairly simple, merge a tablet with a laptop and bring pen support to a much broader user base. The original Surface RT and Windows 8 which tried to bring touch to the desktop environment were certainly business failures. But a lot seems to have been learned and the current Windows lineup sure looks like a good proposition for a lot of people.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Cyberdemon » October 30th, 2016, 8:22 pm

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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Mr-914 » October 31st, 2016, 7:06 am

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Mr-914 wrote:I like the guts it takes to run full force into the Apple/Design Industrial Complex. MS is getting serious about hardware!


With the release of this and the Xiaomi phone compared with the release of the new macbooks I am not sure how much longer well designed products can keep always being directly compared with Apple's. It feels like its becoming less their domain and that it's starting to become unfair to the other guys who are starting to push things just that little bit further.


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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Generatewhatsnext » October 31st, 2016, 8:43 am

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Mr-914 wrote:I like the guts it takes to run full force into the Apple/Design Industrial Complex. MS is getting serious about hardware!


With the release of this and the Xiaomi phone compared with the release of the new macbooks I am not sure how much longer well designed products can keep always being directly compared with Apple's. It feels like its becoming less their domain and that it's starting to become unfair to the other guys who are starting to push things just that little bit further.


In my defense, I've touted Microsoft design for some time, all the way back to the Natural Keyboard in the '90s.


Truth. And not only that, Ray and I are the only two remaining WindowsPhone users on earth, so that's sayin' something. :P
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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Mr-914 » October 31st, 2016, 11:35 am

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I have a friend in Seattle that says MS forced the WIndowsphone on their employees. So there's us and a few thousand MS employees that have to hide their iPhone in their glove compartments.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Cyberdemon » October 31st, 2016, 11:54 am

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Mr-914 wrote:I have a friend in Seattle that says MS forced the WIndowsphone on their employees. So there's us and a few thousand MS employees that have to hide their iPhone in their glove compartments.


That must be fun when your wife finds it. "Who's phone is this?!" "It's not what you think dear...I've been seeing another operating system"

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby yo » November 1st, 2016, 11:10 am

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The more I read about this new collection the more I like it. I might need to put my Apple fanboy status in check :-)

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby sam_whit_design » November 1st, 2016, 1:47 pm


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I've used my Surface Pro 3 for the last 2 years for freelance and school work. We have Cintiqs available to us at school, and the first time I used one I was actually disappointed with the experience. I still default to working on my Surface, and I'll probably pick up the Dial, as I can see it filling certain gaps in my workflow. So Surface Studio = big Surface Pro, I'd be all in (if I weren't a starving student :D )

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby Zachary_Fitean » November 1st, 2016, 3:09 pm


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I'm a huge fan of what microsoft has built, visually I'd go as far to say it looks better than a mac. But... the pen/stylus is sooooo far behind apple's that it completely turned me off on the rest of the computer.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby louis leblanc » November 1st, 2016, 8:06 pm

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yo wrote:The more I read about this new collection the more I like it. I might need to put my Apple fanboy status in check :-)


I handed my Apple membership card in last year after 10 years of Mac. A lot of what drove me to the Mac in the first place seems to have been fixed in Windows. Decent file search, better window management (you can finally scroll on a window that's not in focus), more stable and just cleaner all around. I find Mac OS still more polished but it seems the last versions have been getting quite rigid in the way the cater to simple needs. I felt like I was trying to workaround more than enjoying thoughtful design. Also, for most 3D work, most of us don't have much of a choice but to Bootcamp into Windows anyways...

Anyone have a contact in Microsoft's device team? :roll:

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby NURB » November 1st, 2016, 8:18 pm

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Not to be sassy, but in terms of actual workflow - does this really change the game compared to a 27" Cintiq?



No sass taken. Sure a Cintiq would probably work great for me, but this seemed pretty great as an all-in-one. Plus the Dial seemed really impressive.

I've since read a really interesting article that interviewed some designers. They all basically said the same thing, I still like my Cintiq. Plus, one thing I didn't catch is that there's not much upgrading these things.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby NURB » November 1st, 2016, 8:20 pm

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NURB wrote:He uses illustrator primarily for technical drawings (as do I)

How?


What do you mean? It's just like anything else. Illustrator tools + Hotdoor CADTools. When you're in the sign industry, it's pretty standard.
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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

Postby LeggoMyEggo » November 2nd, 2016, 8:26 am


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I've since read a really interesting article that interviewed some designers. They all basically said the same thing, I still like my Cintiq. Plus, one thing I didn't catch is that there's not much upgrading these things.


That is the biggest hurdle I see with these. Sure up front it may cost the same as a Cintiq plus a work station, but being able to upgrade the work station as time goes on seems to be the best route, without having to replace the Cintiq as well. The specs don't look all that powerful even at the upper end models.

For the puck, I thought I heard they only work with certain programs, none of which are adobe, but I may be wrong. If that is the case though, that'd be too bad since CC is pretty much an industry standard.

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