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Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 1st, 2011, 6:39 pm


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My heart is set on Eames plastic chair with Eiffel tower legs. Girlfriend says it is too expensive for bit of basic looking plastic chair. I think differently though :D Authentic fiberglass version is out of my budget as they cost 2-3 times more than the authentic plastic ones if not more depending on the colour.
So here are the authentic plastic ones YUMMY-
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FAKE

Anyway a company called FLY (furniture outlet in Europe) is selling chairs "inspired" by Eames plastic chair. Here are some of them :roll: I sat on them and they seemed well made and strong. They are three times cheaper than the Eames plastic ones.

My issue is they don't look good but girlfriend thinks they are close enough plus we can buy more of them for the money as we do need few of them. The FLY ones come in various colour combinations. Anyway from the 4 wannabe chairs...

- Red one- I would not have it as I don't like the look or the transparent material.
- All white with white padding- Nope! That lame looking wannabe leg is not doing it for me.
Purple and Black one- They look decent enough but they don't have Eiffel tower legs which I like. I could take them if girlfriend turns on the guilt tap to max flow.

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So I don't know what I am saying but my thinking is to get two original Eames plastic ones now and add two more next year when my birthday comes :D Girlfriend thinks get 6 of the fake purple/black type and get done with it as we need the chairs for use now not next year.

What say you?

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 1st, 2011, 6:42 pm


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Dumping the girlfriend is not an option btw :-)

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby NURB » July 1st, 2011, 7:23 pm

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Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 1st, 2011, 7:27 pm


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NURB wrote:How deep is your wallet? There lies you answer...


Deep enough to buy it but not deep enough to be guilt free :D

What is your view of the fake ones from purely looks point of view?

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby bcpid » July 1st, 2011, 7:31 pm


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a) Charles and Ray Eames have been dead for some time.
b) There are better, more accurate knockoffs out there. See www.inmod.com for example.
c) The philosophy behind much of this furniture was to make inexpensive furniture for the masses. That should answer your question about how you should feel about buying knockoffs.

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 1st, 2011, 7:41 pm


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bcpid wrote:a) Charles and Ray Eames have been dead for some time.
b) There are better, more accurate knockoffs out there. See http://www.inmod.com for example.
c) The philosophy behind much of this furniture was to make inexpensive furniture for the masses. That should answer your question about how you should feel about buying knockoffs.



You are right and I agree with all your points. I don't feel any guilt about buying the fake one when the actual designer is long dead. It's more about the visual quality. If I find a decent knock off in Europe I will take it.

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

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I agree, the knock offs you show are pretty terrible in my opinion and can at best be described as "inspired by". With a little bit of research you'll be able to find some that are actually quite close to the originals produced by Vitra (Europe) or HermanMiller (US).

Not sure if they have the Eifel base ones but you might want to check out modernica.

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Postby Lmo » July 1st, 2011, 11:48 pm

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too bad.. . ..

If the "design" of the chair is what you appreciate, it doesn't make any difference if the designer is dead... . buy the real McCoy and let your guests (or you) sit on folding chairs until you can afford more of the genuine chairs.

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Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 2nd, 2011, 6:52 am


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Lmo wrote:
too bad.. . ..


Some things are worth more than even the most beautiful designer lump of plastic or fiberglass :D

If the "design" of the chair is what you appreciate, it doesn't make any difference if the designer is dead... . buy the real McCoy and let your guests (or you) sit on folding chairs until you can afford more of the genuine chairs.

Otherwise, who cares?


What I mean is that I like the design and proportions of the real one and the fake ones leave me thirsty with their wrong proportions. Anyway since starting this thread I have found that I can get exact copies for much cheaper. So my visual experience won't get diluted in anyway.

If the designer was still alive I would buy the real official version so as not to rob the designer of his royalty or whatever. As the designer is dead I just don't care about the ethical side of buying an exact replica.

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

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I'd go with Modernica. Interestingly enough, they actually bought the Original Eames fiberglass molds, and had been using those to make their "knockoffs". So the Knockoff was more original than the genuine ones? Unfortunately those molds finally had to be remade, but at least they had the original to base the new molds off of.

http://modernica.net/fiberglass-shell-chairs/

These chairs went meant to be produced cheaply, so in a way the knock off holds the original intent as well.

I have a couple of "authentic" DWR Eames LCWs, black aniline die... they always make me nervous because the finish is fragile and they were expensive. I love them though, and I'm at the point in my life where I can afford the genuine article. But I was thinking about getting a set of the fiberglass shell chairs for the kitchen table, and even I was going to go Modernica.

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby Sain » July 2nd, 2011, 11:50 am

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We had Knoll come in an give a presentation over their design history and talk a bit about their company a few years ago. The questions on Knockoff's came up. Their response was something along the lines of. "if you can live the fact that you have a knockoff then by all means buy a knock off. Most people that see or sit in the knockff will never know. Only you will really know that you do not have an original, and if every time you look at it or sit in it doesn't bother you, then buying a knockoff is ok."

They later went on to say. They really don't lose business from people buying knockoffs. They people who buy replicas often are not the target consumer for the products anyways. I sometimes wear a replica of a $3,500 watch, would I have bought a real version if I had the disposable income, maybe. Could I afford that now, no way.

BTW I've heard good things about this company. http://evincodesign.com/molded-wire-side-chair.html
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Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby givemeaname » July 2nd, 2011, 1:14 pm


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Modernica Eiffel Tower Side Chair is $249.00. Vitra's official Eames chair (plastic) is $270 so there is not much price difference. I am in Europe so even if Modernica was cheap it still is out of reach. There is a Modernica partner in my country but he sells them for almost double price :-O I get the impression that he passes them as the old original ones. Not sure as everything in his shop was out my price league.

I have seen some exact plastic copies (they look just like the Vitra official Eames versions) for $60. So I could get 6 of those and still be happy.

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby mrtwills » July 2nd, 2011, 1:32 pm

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If you're into it, try looking on craigslist or vintage stores for some originals at a good price. Some people know the value and so their not inexpensive, but if you're luckily, they don't know and you can score a deal. Of course, there will be more or less available depending on where you live. I feel like getting the "knockoff's" is fine. Not everyone can afford the real deal, so why not. As stated, because of their original intent I would feel less bad. Anyone know of a good saarinen tulip table/chair knockoff by the way? haha

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Postby mrtwills » July 2nd, 2011, 1:34 pm

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If you're into it, try looking on craigslist or vintage stores for some originals at a good price. Some people know the value and so their not inexpensive, but if you're luckily, they don't know and you can score a deal. Of course, there will be more or less available depending on where you live. I feel like getting the "knockoff's" is fine. Not everyone can afford the real deal, so why not. As stated, because of their original intent I would feel less bad. Anyone know of a good saarinen tulip table/chair knockoff by the way? haha

Re: Go fake or real? (Chair question)

Postby mo-i » July 2nd, 2011, 5:03 pm

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Thanks Yo, for the link to the Modernica fibre glass chairs.
Where did you get the information about the original
molds?
You know, I inherited an original Herman Miller chair.
And I'd like to have some more of them. The originals
have become increasingly valuable and my Granddads
one even more so, at least to me.

So a spare one would be nice. Has any one seen the ones
made of PP, that vitra is currently offering? They are
awful. Not even near to the original quality. And they
don't offer them at a discount, not at all.

I'd probably go Modernica for our new dining room, if
they were available over here.

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