Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kepano » December 24th, 2009, 5:36 am

User avatar

kepano
step two
step two
 
Posts: 59
Joined: August 28th, 2006, 2:43 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA
I usually hang out in the student and schools forum, but I thought I'd pop out of my regular bubble to talk about a new project of mine.

Along with a fellow designer, we've developed a new printing process which works on almost any natural material. It's fundamentally different from everything that exists out there and can create prints that were previously impossible on materials like leather, wood, suede, felt, wool, cotton, etc.

Of course this has many applications in design which is why I bring it up here. It creates a whole new set of possibilities for us as designers. Without wanting to sound too spammy, we've started a Kickstarter project and we'd love for you to stop by:

Image

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby choto » December 24th, 2009, 10:57 am

User avatar

choto
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 652
Joined: February 19th, 2008, 10:40 am
Location: Boston, Ma
Looks like a great thing you've got going. Would love to see some samples on wood. Is it possible to use the technique on stone or metal? Monochromatic only, or is color separation printing possible?

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kepano » December 24th, 2009, 11:18 am

User avatar

kepano
step two
step two
 
Posts: 59
Joined: August 28th, 2006, 2:43 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA
We can do ceramic but we have yet to try stone. Metal does not work, however. We're also able to do multiple colors in multiple passes. Theoretically we should be able to do full color but we're still experimenting with that.

Our blog has some pictures but we'll continue to add more. I'd love to show you what it looks like on wood.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kingred » December 25th, 2009, 9:41 am


kingred
step three
step three
 
Posts: 159
Joined: January 28th, 2008, 3:03 am
Wow thats fantastic, How well does it print on plywood? I wanna start churning out high contrast printed furniture cheaply and would love to move away from screen printing as it has quite a few limitations.


Also love the video work and I am envious of your studios...

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby Greenman » December 29th, 2009, 9:43 am

User avatar

Greenman
full self-realization
full self-realization
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: April 26th, 2004, 10:31 pm
Interesting, have you tried printing on HDPE or PET?
All dots connect, even the tiny blue one

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kepano » December 29th, 2009, 5:31 pm

User avatar

kepano
step two
step two
 
Posts: 59
Joined: August 28th, 2006, 2:43 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Thanks for the words of encouragement! This process only works on natural materials so materials like HDPE or PET are out, unfortunately.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby Greenman » December 29th, 2009, 5:38 pm

User avatar

Greenman
full self-realization
full self-realization
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: April 26th, 2004, 10:31 pm
Ah ok thanks Kepano, what about corn based plastics? Or is the process effective on natural materials because of their more porous surface?
All dots connect, even the tiny blue one

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby linda_dong » December 30th, 2009, 3:46 am

User avatar

linda_dong
step three
step three
 
Posts: 139
Joined: December 20th, 2009, 2:28 pm
Location: Pittsburgh
This looks really great! I hope you guys reach your target funding goal :)

Are the inks you're using non-toxic?
Trying to look good limits my life - Sagmeister
http://www.lindadong.com

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kepano » January 5th, 2010, 6:08 pm

User avatar

kepano
step two
step two
 
Posts: 59
Joined: August 28th, 2006, 2:43 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Our project is being featured on the front page of Kickstarter! We're very excited and the drive is going strong.

linda_dong wrote:This looks really great! I hope you guys reach your target funding goal :)

Are the inks you're using non-toxic?


Thanks again for your pledge! Yes our process is very much eco-friendly. It doesn't require any pre-treating with harsh chemicals nor does it require intense heat that damages delicate materials.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby pier » January 11th, 2010, 5:37 am


pier
step four
step four
 
Posts: 364
Joined: June 1st, 2006, 3:34 pm
Location: Toronto
your results look very interesting. Your approach is the epitome of childish unprofessionalism.

The folksy video, cute girl, cute guy approach, only works with friends and family. I realize this Kickstarter arrangement is small small, and that appeals or it's what you desire. Looking at your video shows people in environments that do not need money, only maturity.

Surreptitious, secretiveness (closed door, the vault), tells money and process people you aren't serious. In a femto second you will be asked about due diligence: truly you have a unique innovation completely your own, it's tested, it works, it's commercially viable? It is excellent you have protection, there's no secret: a patent, a filing, a license? Tell us.

If indeed you have protectection, redo your video showing almost everything, no secrets, and clearly explaining what you need and plan to do.


That's the business man talking, and again it looks fascinating. However, the sceptic in me says I've seen this before. Numerous photographers have put images via unique methods onto odd substrates. Synthesized clorophyl process, exposures took weeks, but went onto anything, continuous tone, permanently.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby Caffeine » January 11th, 2010, 2:42 pm


Caffeine
step two
step two
 
Posts: 61
Joined: August 17th, 2008, 3:38 pm
Daaaaannnnnngggg Pier. Don't hold back dawg.


If indeed you have protectection, redo your video showing almost everything, no secrets, and clearly explaining what you need and plan to do.


You still need to have deep enough pockets to protect your "protection". Patents are a waste of time if your are not extremely well funded, lawyer'd to the hilt and have a staff that can handle all the BS. If I did have a patent, I wouldn't go tell everyone where it is... Its like a roadmap with GPS coord.'s to do everything you are doing.

Better to be first to market with strong branding, rather that start off on your heels in a defensive posture. Patents get steamrolled by large corporations all the time. Sad but true, for poop and grins have a dialogue with people in the Biochem/Chemistry field. Steamrolled without the courtesy of a kiss is so prevalent, its almost expected if you go to patent first.

Surreptitious, secretiveness (closed door, the vault), tells money and process people you aren't serious. In a femto second you will be asked about due diligence: truly you have a unique innovation completely your own, it's tested, it works, it's commercially viable? It is excellent you have protection, there's no secret: a patent, a filing, a license? Tell us.



Maybe, just maybe... they are not looking for a large VC funded empire. Call me crazy, but if that is what they were looking for, they probably wouldn't have choose Kickstarter (or whatever) for a paltry sum of 12K. Some companies would rather start small in good financial shape, as opposed to; VC "take on this metric ton of debt", grow like gangbusters with no base and eventually end up like the overwhelming majority of startups that get way over their heads; EPIC FAIL.

Perhaps if we would encourage more business to start small and grow WITH their customers and their business we would not be mired in the bullshit we are currently neck deep in. Perhaps, "getting serious" for "real" VC money is a load of shit. Perhaps, sustainable (I'm not talking the green movement, I'm talking economics 101) business is something we should encourage... you know the kind that sells more than they spend and has a "right side up" balance sheet?

I'm not talking for Lumi as I may be way off. They might want a large VC funded operation, I don't know (but it sure doesn't seem like it). I'm talking as a business owner myself who abhors what business in this and other countries has become.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby choto » January 11th, 2010, 4:13 pm

User avatar

choto
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 652
Joined: February 19th, 2008, 10:40 am
Location: Boston, Ma
Yeah I'd have to agree with caffeine. Pier I think that you are misinterpreting their goals. The fact that the project was posted to kickstarter which is essentially a web version of a bake sale, signaled to me, at least, that they are not in the hunt for big venture capital bucks right now, but are looking to off load part of the financial burden of starting a small company. All money donated is essentially a gift, you get a gift in return, sure, but you're giving the money knowing that the vast majority is going to them to do as they please.
As far as the video being a little hokey, cute guy, cute girl, yeah I guess, but that's subjective, it's not like they hired out actors and hid behind the camera. As far as it being childish, I don't see that, in fact I think it's a very mature well thought out video for their purpose: ie. they want complete strangers to like them enough to want to give them a gift.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby yo » January 11th, 2010, 8:07 pm

User avatar

yo
Administration
Administration
 
Posts: 13095
Joined: January 5th, 2004, 6:57 pm
Location: SoCal

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby Dubya » January 12th, 2010, 1:27 am


Dubya
step two
step two
 
Posts: 98
Joined: December 9th, 2008, 11:34 am
Location: Boston, MA
Peir, I'm with you on this one. From what I saw on the website there is no way I would give any money without any real information. All they show us is smoke and mirrors. I also agree that 12k seems a little low for them if what they have is really as good as they say it is.
pier wrote:Looking at your video shows people in environments that do not need money, only maturity.

Maybe they should move into smaller lofts and save some dough themselves. For 12K you look to the three F's-family, friends and fools. Strangers on the internet would be the latter.

Oh and adding the pretentious bit about croissants in the video didn't make me think, hey these are struggling artists/designers/inventors that could use some startup capital.

Re: Lumi, a new printing process

Postby kepano » February 3rd, 2010, 12:16 pm

User avatar

kepano
step two
step two
 
Posts: 59
Joined: August 28th, 2006, 2:43 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Thanks for all your feedback! We're taking all the comments into consideration and reworking our video. We fully understand the serious tone that needs to be communicated.

In the meantime we think the products will speak for themselves and have updated our fund-raising page with photos of one of the rewards:

Image

We've also done an interview with Kickstarter's official blog which answers some of your questions:

http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/347723 ... -a-lumi-co


Return to general design discussion

©2014 Core77, Inc. All rights reserved
about | contact us | advertise | mailing list