Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby Mr-914 » August 28th, 2012, 6:44 am

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nxakt: I just got back from China, you are right, many Samsung large cel phones. I think Apple missed out here. It will be interesting to see if the iPhone 5 "copies" this aspect from Samsung.

Many iPHones in China too. Although, this is among factory owners. I'd be curious to see what the workers use.

Daniel: You are right, many other designs that are as interesting and well detailed as Apple in the cel market now. It's a shame the iPhone copies get so much press and the other good designs get no attention.
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby SHIELDS » August 28th, 2012, 12:01 pm

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Harmon Kardon headphones make you look like you have two iPhones glued to the sides of your head.

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"And it's not even that big of a deal; something like eight percent of kids do it."

Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby Mr-914 » August 29th, 2012, 8:05 am

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It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners...


My favorite quote from this whole ordeal.
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby SHIELDS » August 29th, 2012, 9:50 am

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I believe that Apple's enforcement of interface patents are hurting the consumer of touch screens. To use an admittedly extreme example, imagine car safety patent-hoarding by a lone automaker.

Three-point seatbelts, advanced airbags, ABS, backup cameras, etc. are not only expected features, they are all required or becoming requirements for future vehicles. The smartphone industry won't become dangerous to consumers just because one company has exclusive interface patents, but it would make it a whole lot less convenient.

Is it a lack of imagination that makes it hard to imagine browsing maps/web/games without pinching to zoom on a Samsung... or have gestures like this become ubiquitous to the point of being completely expected throughout the industry?
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby SHIELDS » August 31st, 2012, 10:12 am

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A great read discussing use (and misuse) of design patents in this case.

http://www.informationweek.com/mobility ... /240006568
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby Generatewhatsnext » August 31st, 2012, 3:44 pm

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And so now Apple has lost it's lawsuit against Samsung in Japan (the HOME of electronic devices) and has also lost it's key arguments in the UK and elsewhere in the EU. Only in the US have they won outright (South Korea gave them a tie score!) And so as Larry Page and Tim Cook begin discussions to call a truce for issues between iOS and Android what does Apple do - files another lawsuit, this time against Google, Samsung & HTC. I think there's a really big law-firm in California that has a monthly Apple income comparable to the annual GDP of Kenya.

Enough already - it's on its way to being as annoying as politics.
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby nxakt » September 2nd, 2012, 7:04 am

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SHIELDS wrote:A great read discussing use (and misuse) of design patents in this case.

http://www.informationweek.com/mobility ... /240006568


Another great viewpoint, thanks for sharing that.

Generatewhatsnext wrote: Enough already - it's on its way to being as annoying as politics.


Annoying to some of us (miniscule percentage of the total) that sense the wider implications, however to the average consumer this discussion is far too remote of a chain of concepts. I expect near zero blowback from the consumers, which is the only voice to which Apple will listen. The most profitable company in the world will keep on suing their competitors to protect the heap that they fought to the top of, shiny gadgets.

Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby engio » September 2nd, 2012, 10:15 am


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SHIELDS wrote:Harmon Kardon headphones make you look like you have two iPhones glued to the sides of your head.

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How about this iPhone flashlight? Pretty sure it was designed before Apple was founded.
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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby nxakt » November 2nd, 2012, 12:15 am

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I realize there is topic fatigue on this issue. However some of the biggest issues that I face as a designer are related to patents. As this development did not get any play here, adding it to the topic roll now. Something uncommon.

The US Patent office "disavowed" a patent at the core of the dispute.

NYTimes wrote: The patent office’s re-examination team issued its invalidation decision on patent 7,469,381. It was one of the six patents that formed the basis of the jury verdict against Samsung in a federal court in San Jose, Calif.

The patent is at the center of Apple’s intellectual property strategy in smartphones and tablets of patenting user-experience software. Upon review, the patent office determined that the idea and the bounce feature had been invented earlier, even if the pointing device was not a finger on a touch screen.


Also strictly for amusement, gone are the days when you could assume that judges were not web publishing savvy:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-0 ... -case.html
Bloomberg wrote: Apple said complying with the 24-hour rewrite ruling would be impossible and asked for 14 days to review the apology. Judge Jacobs scoffed at that idea and shot it down.

"I would like to see the head of Apple make an affidavit setting out the technical difficulties which means Apple can't put this on [the Apple website]," said Jacob. "I just can't believe the instructions you've been given. This is Apple. They cannot put something on their website?"

Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby scrotum » January 22nd, 2013, 11:52 pm

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Re: Apple: Samsung Copied Design

Postby Generatewhatsnext » January 23rd, 2013, 3:06 pm

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I think Apple overplayed its hand with regards to patents. They've scaled the wall but are now tumbling downward quickly.
Their Senior Patent Counsel's office door should read 'i-used-to-patent-everything'.

Personally, I think Samsung is an unstoppable small consumer product machine, much like their S. Korean cohorts LG is an unstoppable large consumer product machine and Hyundai is an unstoppable transportation machine. Pretty convincing trifecta they've got going on at the moment.
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