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Re: A new design organization?

Postby chevisw » November 9th, 2010, 9:37 am


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APPD: Association of Professional Practicing Designers.

You need to have a degree and/or professional work experience, 3 references from professionals with at least 5 years of experience or the sponsorship of an existing member, and there is a portfolio review, or you may be invited to join.


I think the above outline by Yo is one of the most important things. Much like being a degreed engineer in Canada being a member of the group holds a certain amount of weight. It also becomes something that people strives to become members of as it represent and is recognized as a association that is beneficial to be apart of not only by its members but also by the business community and employers.

"Oh you are a member of APPD - well this makes the interview easier as we know you are held to high standards by that organization" is what the employeer would say....

I would also like to add the following to the thought.

A. As an active member you are responsible and mandated in some way shape or form to give back to the design community and to future members. i.e lecture at a local school for 1 class, host a online webinare something once a year.

B. The group has to branches for continuing education 1. Skill sets 2. Business within these two areas there would be several additional items. Ideally the the seminars would be hosted by high level individuals and in conjunction with a board certified school.


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Re: A new design organization?

Postby cg » November 9th, 2010, 2:30 pm

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A secret elite fraternity huh?

My needs are slightly different, but I think both of our needs could be served with an open and entirely web-based organization.

- Collect and bubble-up the best content from the best designers globally. You can learn from the best, and earn a reputation for yourself based on a meritocracy (ie. not the size of your bank account or what name-brand firm you work at.) Get designers to stop using Vimeo, YouTube, Facebook, SlideShare, or hoping to be featured on a blog and start posting their content at this new site to foster dialog. Use "liking" and ad-hoc social groups to automatically generate buzz for worthy content. This will quickly become the go-to spot for designers to congregate and in the process builds-up and incredible library of best-practices and case-studies we keep talking about.

- Replace all physical events and studio-tours with virtual events and studio tours = less friction, larger audience, perpetual dialog and archive.

- Take all the money you're saving and take your pick of smaller, more targeted design retreats to attend like the Aspen Design Summit.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby Mr-914 » November 9th, 2010, 4:00 pm

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I like Yo's ideas for how the organization works for its members. I don't like the name though. It seems like a special ed. program. (not that there is anything wrong with that...just not good for a design association).

I also like the idea of filtering it down to working designers. However, publicity and advocacy is (or should be) an important feature of an organization as well. Therefore, I think a secret society has its drawbacks. Journos need to have a phone number to call for a quote when the next iProduct comes out. (Michael Ditullo, god emperor of APPD says, "It's great!!!". Something like that;)

I like the focus of having a lot of regional events & just one big global event. Neat.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby bcpid » November 9th, 2010, 5:41 pm


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"Maybe I'm feeling punchy having walked out of a board level meeting with a corporation with a verbal to proceed on a project, but it's not that hard, you just have to actually be good. All the gant charts in the world are not going to cover up bad work and an inability to connect, empathize, and emote with your clients and users.."

Bad meeting with a client that doesn't really grasp what you do?

I like the idea of being licensed, which is one of the key things your group accomplishes.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby warrenginn » November 9th, 2010, 7:16 pm

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bcpid wrote:I like the idea of being licensed, which is one of the key things your group accomplishes.


Designers have been asking for that for years. It's the Holy Grail for our profession... If anyone can come up with a licensing test similar to those given to PEs or architects, and get states to adopt it, then you'd have something. The design profession (even just industrial design) is just too broad.
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Re: A new design organization?

Postby cg » November 9th, 2010, 8:32 pm

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warrenginn wrote:
bcpid wrote:I like the idea of being licensed, which is one of the key things your group accomplishes.


Designers have been asking for that for years. It's the Holy Grail for our profession... If anyone can come up with a licensing test similar to those given to PEs or architects, and get states to adopt it, then you'd have something. The design profession (even just industrial design) is just too broad.


Licensing is different than certification. Certification would be more attainable.

I was certified as a New Product Development Professional (NPDP), and that's much broader than ID! It required about 1 week of training to pass the course. Here's their study guide FYI.

Certification, like a brand, acts as a stamp of approval. A promise. Unlike your ID degree, certifications usually require keeping up with education credits, which ensures updated knowledge of agreed-upon best-practices.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby warrenginn » November 9th, 2010, 11:46 pm

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cg wrote:I was certified as a New Product Development Professional (NPDP), and that's much broader than ID! It required about 1 week of training to pass the course. Here's their study guide FYI.

Certification, like a brand, acts as a stamp of approval. A promise. Unlike your ID degree, certifications usually require keeping up with education credits, which ensures updated knowledge of agreed-upon best-practices.


Interesting, I'm a recent PDMA member so I'll take a look at this... Thanks.

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Re: A new design organization?

Postby yo » November 10th, 2010, 12:50 am

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bcpid wrote:
Bad meeting with a client that doesn't really grasp what you do?


No, no, the opposite, walking in, explaining what we do with passion, critiquing their existing work at point blank and getting a large project on the spot. I don't think I've ever walked out of a meeting where someone did not grasp what I do by the end. It is my job to explain it, and explain it well with conviction, heart, and logic.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby yo » November 10th, 2010, 12:53 am

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cg wrote:A secret elite fraternity huh?


not secret, very public, just exclusive. Thought I love the idea of getting designers onto one searchable data platform.... maybe there could be an open content section, and then an elite member group with the review that could further authorize the best work.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby tarngerine » November 10th, 2010, 2:08 am

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Exclusive? Sounds like.. THE HARVARD CONNECTION. Winklevii say yes.

As a student I think something exclusive that gives people a goal to work towards is nice. Once your'e in, you're gold.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby chevisw » November 10th, 2010, 8:58 am


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tarngerine wrote:Exclusive? Sounds like.. THE HARVARD CONNECTION. Winklevii say yes.

As a student I think something exclusive that gives people a goal to work towards is nice. Once your'e in, you're gold.



Just as long as once you are in you need to continue to prove yourself.... not what have you done, but instead what have you done lately.

i.e. Police depts. don't require their people to pass a yearly physical Fire Dept do..... look a the physical diff.

NO TENURE! like what we find in the educational system. Also a code of ethics that is not just written on down but is actually enforced!

Re: A new design organization?

Postby bcpid » November 10th, 2010, 9:14 am


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So....

1) Would you be evaluated by other designers, or would you be evaluated by a diverse board of product development decisionmakers, or a split of both? I prefer the latter two options as they are more reflective of how designers are really evaluated.

2) If you decide to spend a few years homesteading or vagabonding, your membership would be revoked? I think rather than constantly keeping up appearances, maybe it's every five years or so.

3) Would you have to be involved in the MASS production of goods? Kind of a barrier to one-off-ers and social criticism-design-collectives that create fine art statements in designer clothing.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby chevisw » November 10th, 2010, 10:08 am


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bcpid wrote:So....

1) Would you be evaluated by other designers, or would you be evaluated by a diverse board of product development decisionmakers, or a split of both? I prefer the latter two options as they are more reflective of how designers are really evaluated.

2) If you decide to spend a few years homesteading or vagabonding, your membership would be revoked? I think rather than constantly keeping up appearances, maybe it's every five years or so.

3) Would you have to be involved in the MASS production of goods? Kind of a barrier to one-off-ers and social criticism-design-collectives that create fine art statements in designer clothing.



1. I like the ideal of "would you be evaluated by a diverse board of product development decision makers, or a split of both?" one of my issues with the design industry right now is i feel at time too much emphasis is put on conceptual design and really pretty pictures. and not on how the design meets a variety of other criteria..... Marketing, manufacturing, costing, engineering.

2. I think every year may be to much, sabbaticals are always a good thing so maybe every 2 -3 years and even a sabbatical can count if you can demonstrate how you kept / refined / honed your skill sets.

3. I think both are needed but once again various organizations tote the one offs to much, because it is easy to sell the "sex appeal" with visuals. oppose to the say a simple profit chart - some of my best work although not sexy by any means are products that I redesigned / managed were in we pull out cost provided a cleaner and fresher look, displaced the competition gaining great shelf space and saw increased profits.

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Re: A new design organization?

Postby bcpid » November 11th, 2010, 8:21 pm


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Chevis - I was unclear on comment 3. My POV is that if a designer isn't involved in the mass production of goods, or their work focuses on social critique, then they aren't really part of the Industrial/PD world. They are probably fine artists or craftsmen. Personal aside: when I see one-off art pieces by Dutch "design" collectives, it kind of makes my blood boil to see it is presented in a design context. It is art or satire or social critique. Not design. The fine artists would be barred from membership in my scenario.

Re: A new design organization?

Postby chevisw » November 12th, 2010, 9:29 am


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bcpid wrote:Chevis - I was unclear on comment 3. My POV is that if a designer isn't involved in the mass production of goods, or their work focuses on social critique, then they aren't really part of the Industrial/PD world. They are probably fine artists or craftsmen. Personal aside: when I see one-off art pieces by Dutch "design" collectives, it kind of makes my blood boil to see it is presented in a design context. It is art or satire or social critique. Not design. The fine artists would be barred from membership in my scenario.



Really? i'm not alone in my feelings for when a one off design is toted as the be all end all of industrial design and when I design something for a price point and mass production some people view it as less of a design because hey look at what this person came up with..... a 19.00 product that would cost 300.00.

bcpid i would like to buy you a drink!

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