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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby e-anderson » March 11th, 2010, 3:01 pm


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no_spec wrote:Welcome to Core, Eric, (and you too George even though it's not your very 1st post).
I know it must feel like IDSA is pushing rope when you see all this complaining, but thanks for your commitment to adapting to these changing times.

Thanks. I will also work to engage directly more often.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby PackageID » March 11th, 2010, 4:35 pm

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Thanks Eric!! Whether it appears this way or not I think a lot of us are passionate about this and really want to see IDSA succeed. By having an organization to educate the population and be an advocate for ID, if done right, can only help us in the long run. I would encourage you, and the other board members to keep their eyes on these boards as I think we have opened a door that if we can keep it open you should get some really great honest feedback.
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PackageID wrote:Thanks Eric!! Whether it appears this way or not I think a lot of us are passionate about this and really want to see IDSA succeed. By having an organization to educate the population and be an advocate for ID, if done right, can only help us in the long run. I would encourage you, and the other board members to keep their eyes on these boards as I think we have opened a door that if we can keep it open you should get some really great honest feedback.


Thanks Justin, we really do appreciate it.

And I hope everyone reading these threads understands that it's not just IDSA trying to find a way to improve itself for its own sake. The purpose of IDSA isn't merely to appease the Core77 community, it's to benefit the entire industrial design community. If an organization like IDSA can't exist, we all lose as designers. That's why working together makes so much sense.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

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Ok, so enough of the love-in. What the word on timing for all these planned changes. I'm curious to hear the rollout plan as I imagine something a huge as IDSA must be pretty hard to make big changes fast..sort of the slow turning ocean freighter issue.

Perhaps I can suggest some of the small things be done quite quickly to make an impression of change. As we know it seems like the perception issue is the biggest one to overcome.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby mrtwills » March 11th, 2010, 5:32 pm

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I would be interested to know where IDSA feels it's strongest local chapters are located? I imagine that the main strength of IDSA to an individual depends on how well organized their local chapter is, and the support of it's members.

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rkuchinsky wrote:Ok, so enough of the love-in. What the word on timing for all these planned changes. I'm curious to hear the rollout plan as I imagine something a huge as IDSA must be pretty hard to make big changes fast..sort of the slow turning ocean freighter issue.

Perhaps I can suggest some of the small things be done quite quickly to make an impression of change. As we know it seems like the perception issue is the biggest one to overcome.

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PS. If there is anything meaningful/creative I can contribute I'd be happy to volunteer.


That, my friend, is the million-dollar (US) question. All these ideas are fantastic, but we're still largely powered by volunteers... who have jobs... like me. So yes, there is a business plan in place now and we're trying to integrate as many new ideas as we can provided we have the manpower and/or funds to do it. And you're right, it is a bit of an ocean freighter...

There are a few things that are taking up the bulk of our attention these days: finishing up the processing and judging for the IDEA awards and planning for the 5 District conferences happening around the county. Both of those are largely administered from the IDSA headquarters. I can tell you that the Chapters are getting their events planned and I as the Section VP am working on helping get the Sections aligned to all of their plans underway.

Some of the "small things" you mention might actually be more complicated behind the scenes. I guess the challenge is whether or not we want to drop something we're working on to implement something else that while might not have a great an impact, might improve things from a PR level. Take all these posts: The time I've taken to participate on this thread has taken time away from my other work as well as my duties as Section VP. But so far I think it's a fair trade-off. But without someone to fill-in for me, I can do one thing at a time. But like I said, this dialog and getting feedback is just as important.

Style over substance, right?

The good news is that we now have someone on staff that will be responsible for a lot of that so we can focus on content. My job is to wrangle the Sections although I try to do things that are M&P Section-related (like my blog and speaking at SPE conferences...).

So the short answer is that there are tons of things going on, they're just not fully baked and ready for prime time. We have an plan, but there's a lot to it and a lot of folks involved. My hope is that we develop a better way to explain what we're doing, why we're doing it and when it will be done. I'm sure you understand that it's never that simple, but we're working on it.

I appreciate the offer to pitch in and I expect that we'll take you up on it. Every additional volunteer we get means that much more change, that much quicker.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby warrenginn » March 11th, 2010, 7:26 pm

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mrtwills wrote:I would be interested to know where IDSA feels it's strongest local chapters are located? I imagine that the main strength of IDSA to an individual depends on how well organized their local chapter is, and the support of it's members.


Oh boy, I'm not about to touch that with a 10-foot pole. Now how would those chapters feel if I singled out one over the other? You're right, though, the chapters provide the physical community and network so many designers want. I remember when I used to work in Fort Wayne, IN and there weren't a lot of IDs around. The Indiana chapter was pretty spread out so sometimes I did stuff with the Chicago chapter, sometimes the Western Ohio chapter, etc.

Where are you located?

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby yo » March 11th, 2010, 7:46 pm

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first off, Eric, thanks for joining in. Glad to see more IDSA representation on here

e-anderson wrote:I attended a “town meeting” last night in Pittsburgh. It was the first chapter event of the new officers. I went as a member but was prepared to address the negatives. When I arrived there were printed copies of the recent IDSA member survey on tables, which if you read it clearly shows we have a lot of work to do. What was surprising is that it wasn’t even brought up. It was as though folks said OK, so how so WE fix it? The evening was an inspiring combination of group based brainstorming exercises and discussion about the identity of the chapter, opportunities for collaboration as a few members of IxDa participated, and how to raise design awareness in the area through celebration. At the end folks had to be guided to the door because it was getting late. I realize this is not yet the norm but it happens more often than we think.


That is fantastic, but do you think it was a bit of a case of the church preaching to the choir? I'm guessing the fact that they even came is a pretty good signal that they are already believers. I'm guessing the people you need to convince were not even aware of the meeting...

Which is another good reason for you to be a frequent poster here. 9673 registered users (and we prune the inactive ones from time to time)... and those are just the posters, I'd guess at least triple that for readers judging by the traffic. I hope you (Eric et all) post in other topics. These are the skeptics you need to convince (self included in that bunch... sorry)

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Good point yo. IDSA needs to continue to support it's current members while finding new ways to reach out to new people and it sounds from other posts that is what they are trying to do. And this is where a strong relationship between IDSA and core77 can help the ID community as a whole. So many of us visit Core77 daily, even just for a quick glace to see the new posts and if one pops up about an IDSA event I think that will go a long way. I also would love to see IDSA collaborate with other design related fields and organizations.

Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby e-anderson » March 12th, 2010, 9:06 am


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yo wrote:first off, Eric, thanks for joining in. Glad to see more IDSA representation on here

e-anderson wrote:I attended a “town meeting” last night in Pittsburgh. It was the first chapter event of the new officers. I went as a member but was prepared to address the negatives. When I arrived there were printed copies of the recent IDSA member survey on tables, which if you read it clearly shows we have a lot of work to do. What was surprising is that it wasn’t even brought up. It was as though folks said OK, so how so WE fix it? The evening was an inspiring combination of group based brainstorming exercises and discussion about the identity of the chapter, opportunities for collaboration as a few members of IxDa participated, and how to raise design awareness in the area through celebration. At the end folks had to be guided to the door because it was getting late. I realize this is not yet the norm but it happens more often than we think.


That is fantastic, but do you think it was a bit of a case of the church preaching to the choir? I'm guessing the fact that they even came is a pretty good signal that they are already believers. I'm guessing the people you need to convince were not even aware of the meeting...

Which is another good reason for you to be a frequent poster here. 9673 registered users (and we prune the inactive ones from time to time)... and those are just the posters, I'd guess at least triple that for readers judging by the traffic. I hope you (Eric et all) post in other topics. These are the skeptics you need to convince (self included in that bunch... sorry)


Yes, you are right it is. But we haven't always done that well. A lot of discussion that we are having, here included, is informing or clarifying some values we may have thought was obvious but isn't. A majority of folks at that event represented the choir but not everyone. And its fair to say that even a few of the choir came in with their robes in hand but so far are keeping them.

My attitude is that we (the leaders) are here to enable good things to happen. The more that members feel that this is the case the stronger we become and the better they feel in helping us grow the society. I have no illusion that this will happen overnight. But this is the first time in long while that the key components of the society are aligned to get it right.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

Postby e-anderson » March 12th, 2010, 9:39 am


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mrtwills wrote:Good point yo. IDSA needs to continue to support it's current members while finding new ways to reach out to new people and it sounds from other posts that is what they are trying to do. And this is where a strong relationship between IDSA and core77 can help the ID community as a whole. So many of us visit Core77 daily, even just for a quick glace to see the new posts and if one pops up about an IDSA event I think that will go a long way. I also would love to see IDSA collaborate with other design related fields and organizations.


Yes, we see the importance of collaboration for our members and the profession. Although we just formalized collaboration recently in our new strategic plan, for sometime we have been active in discussion and relationship building. Warren is doing a great job thinking through how these relationships are developed through our professional interest sections. But as he alluded the resources don't yet match the number of opportunities.

Last year I moderated an IDSA pre-conference event at the PDMA national conference that brought prominent IDSA members together to share Design. We have worked with HFES, CES, IHA and several others through events that occur at district conferences and local chapters. We are actively talking with AIGA and DMI about opportunities and these are the ones of the top of my head.

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Re: Discussion about the IDSA

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well, I am all for militancy however I have a few questions regarding localised professional organisations,

Firstly upon graduating in the UK, and entering the fearsome world of work, I haven't been encouraged by anyone to keep track with trends, colours, aesthetics and even joining a professional body. I feel this is quite a crime, as I feel left out and often relying on my own passions, curiosities and obsessions carrying through into my work.

What should I be looking for?
Is stalking design blogs, websites and associated designer pornography actually constructive?
Would joining a professional organisation useful, would it just lead to people getting drunk and bitching about the industry?

At the moment all i see is the old boys club of people who I know from university, networking the hard way through doing actual business and making friends along the way, or is there a simpler way to do this through a professional body like yourselves.

sorry for the wall of text/hi-jack, but i am sure there are a few fellow abandoned graduates like myself who find themselves confused by the baffling array of stuff happening everywhere.

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kingred wrote:sorry for the wall of text/hi-jack, but i am sure there are a few fellow abandoned graduates like myself who find themselves confused by the baffling array of stuff happening everywhere.


That's kinda what I see organizations like IDSA are good for. Yes, the social media sites are also good, but particularly for those young graduates "entering the fearsome world of work", wouldn't it be good to have a network of colleges, you and old, to "talk shop" with? I know when I used to work in Fort Wayne Indiana, I was one of a handful of ID's in the area and when I got the opportunity to hang out with others who actually knew and understood what I did for a living... It was like therapy... Call it a "design support group."

Sometimes "getting drunk and bitching about the industry" is a good thing. It's how I've had the opportunity to get some pretty interesting people in the industry and get their thoughts on my work and career. This is invaluable personal, face-to-face feedback and mentorship that's difficult to get on a website.

At least that's where I'm coming from. There's no reason to feel out there and all alone when you have a support system. You just have to plug in.

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kingred wrote:sorry for the wall of text/hi-jack, but i am sure there are a few fellow abandoned graduates like myself who find themselves confused by the baffling array of stuff happening everywhere.


That's kinda what I see organizations like IDSA are good for. Yes, the social media sites are also good, but particularly for those young graduates "entering the fearsome world of work", wouldn't it be good to have a network of colleges, you and old, to "talk shop" with?


In theory yes, in practice no.

We don't even have an IDSA chapter here in San Diego (a county of 3 million people!) so I can't really participate in IDSA. So I've turned to virtual designer communities like C77, plus my local network of friends and colleagues for that face-to-face aspect. And it seems clear to me that as the world gets smaller, virtual communities make more and more sense.

IDSA was most useful to me as a student in Midwest. The value proposition then was that the conferences were the only way to see other designers portfolios and to hear about new methods, and the only way to connect with other professionals--particularly potential employers. That's definitely no longer the case. So what is the value-prop today? Why should I pick IDSA over PDMA, DMI, IxDA, CHI, TED, UXWeek etc?

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cg wrote:We don't even have an IDSA chapter here in San Diego (a county of 3 million people!) so I can't really participate in IDSA. So I've turned to virtual designer communities like C77, plus my local network of friends and colleagues for that face-to-face aspect. And it seems clear to me that as the world gets smaller, virtual communities make more and more sense.

IDSA was most useful to me as a student in Midwest. The value proposition then was that the conferences were the only way to see other designers portfolios and to hear about new methods, and the only way to connect with other professionals--particularly potential employers. That's definitely no longer the case. So what is the value-prop today? Why should I pick IDSA over PDMA, DMI, IxDA, CHI, TED, UXWeek etc?


I don't think anyone's asking you to necessarily pick one over another. Everyone has a different way of networking and for some, online interaction is the best. For others, they're looking for more direct, personal interaction.

Knowing you live in San Diego, I can understand a bit of your frustration. California is obviously very spread out and, like many states, figuring out where the Chapters should be located has as much to do with defining the local interest as it does anything else. So my reaction is: why not start a San Diego Chapter? Are there enough designers locally to warrant it? Some states have several Chapters (like Ohio), while some actually share a Chapter (e.g., the Carolina Chapter covers North and South Carolina, so we have several Vice Chairs to cover different areas). There's no reason why there can't be a San Diego extension of the LA Chapter, or an entirely separate one (provided there's sufficient interest).

Maybe that's part of the problem: Maybe you've just been missing out on all of this face-to-face IDSA interaction I've bee talking about because you live to far away from a Chapter... But that's a fixable problem.

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