Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby yo » January 23rd, 2013, 4:57 pm

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I never got into DMI for some reason. Seemed almost too far in the other direction to me for some reason? Maybe a little too cut and dry? I'm only basing that on some vague impression. Travis's testimonial is more of a prompt for me to check it out more thoroughly though.

I like a little eye candy too. "a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down" ;-) Plus it needs to respond and support to designers of all levels. Technical skills and career networking are more important in the early years. Strategic thinking, cross disciplinary tool kits, and client relationship guidance are more important in later years. As iab mentioned, bringing best practices from other industries should be encouraged, especially with that second set. I'd be more interested in how a lawyer lets say attracts, retains, and bills clients in some ways. Those guys seem to have those aspects of their business pretty dialed.

I don't see the whole ego angle. It is not like the big names in design are apart of the IDSA, that would be more interesting frankly... if Karim Rashid was president of the IDSA the way Teague used to be, that peak my interest. I think there maybe a lack of ego, and by ego I mean the definition of the word that comprises a sense of self and how that self reacts to the whorl around.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Mr-914 » January 23rd, 2013, 9:36 pm

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I just went through the last 2 years worth of DMI Review. A few things stuck out, but not enough that I would pay for a subscription. Maybe this weekend, I'll read a few articles in depth and change my mind.
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Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Travisimo » January 24th, 2013, 5:09 am

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If you've ever used academic/business journals, DMI has excellent stuff - far superior to IDSA in that way

IMO, DMI memberships are expensive - I don't see the point unless you go to conferences and the savings balance the cost

plus you can purchase whatever article/journal and attend the webinars without memebership

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby no_spec » January 24th, 2013, 8:43 am


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you should check out DMI yourselves but I find it to be the cross-discipline version of IDSA.
The presentations tend towards shameless self promotion, but the Journal is very academic (as opposed to "Innovations" fluf peices).
That said, just like IDSA, there are jems to be found - but you already have to have a good idea of what's going on to identify and appreciate them.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Mr-914 » February 25th, 2013, 12:47 pm

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No comments on the Core77 news?

http://www.core77.com/blog/announcements/announcing_a_new_strategic_partnership_between_core77_idsa_24430.asp

It's not every day two organizations come together to create something even greater than the sum of their parts. It is with great excitement that we announce a strategic partnership between Core77 and the Industrial Designers Society of America.

Over the coming year Core77 and IDSA will work together to mutually promote programming offered by both sides to our respective audiences. In keeping with tradition, Core77 will host the portfolio review and a social event at the annual IDSA National Conference (taking place this year in Chicago, from August 20-23). Core77 will implement a new job board at the IDSA web site, welcoming IDSA as a partner into the Coroflot Job Network.

IDSA is the voice of the industrial design profession, advancing the quality and positive impact of design, so a partnership with Core77 is a natural fit. "An official collaboration between our organizations makes perfect sense," said Stuart Constantine, cofounder of Core77. "Our motives are well aligned and we are both committed to providing the broader design community with unparalleled professional and creative opportunities."

"While IDSA and Core77 have been cooperating informally for several years, we are happy to have a formal agreement in place to share job board postings and promotion of events that will bring value to designers and the design world," said George McCain, IDSA's chairman of the board. "IDSA has the utmost admiration for the online community that Core77 has built and is honored to become an integral part of it."


Maybe our hopes are becoming reality...
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Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby no_spec » February 25th, 2013, 2:05 pm


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it's a natural fit, so why duplicate efforts? but
Would an ID only job board and ID only portfolio list be worth dues? probably not, would that drive traffic to IDSA.org?

Untill recently I didn't know Core's Moderators were all- vounteer, I'd thought Core77 generated income sufficient to pay staff. And earlier here, iab compared paying dues and voluteering to support IDSA to 2 kicks to the crotch. I wonder how these changes will impact that attitude (widespread and not restricted to iab of course)

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Timf » February 25th, 2013, 3:04 pm

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I recently stepped down as moderator, and yes it was volunteer, but there were some benefits. I still have my blu foam sneakers and a nice box of snack foods for Christmas was also a nice touch. Those are the physical benefits but volunteering for for Core77 and IDSA have been more than compensated with non-tangible benefits. The worldwide connections I have made will be there my entire life. I gained valuable management experience (try convincing non paid people to do amazing things). Don't want to make it sound like I am done with it. I am just taking a breather and allow the next generation to have a chance.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Mr-914 » February 25th, 2013, 3:23 pm

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no-spec: I don't think us moderators add enough value to the C77 empire to merit a salary. There are people in the office that I'm sure are paid. If not, they should strike! hehe
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Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby no_spec » February 25th, 2013, 4:00 pm


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Tim, how do you convince the iab's of the next generation to contribute?
I've been following the "certification" discussion over on Linked In and agree that continuing education is they key value that people can measure in exchange for dues. (the intangibles you mention, though valid, make a tough value proposition)
Over here on Core, where the next generation expects the "free economy" to prevail, nobody see's IDSA as having anything to offer. When (on aonther thread) I asked a moderator how much time and effort a seminar would take to prepare, how much would that cost and why would you give the PR to IDSA instead of thier current employer - like on a consultancy blog, I never got an answer.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Timf » February 25th, 2013, 4:27 pm

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Normally I talk about the management skills you will gain. Project management, people management, process management, etc.. In certain positions you gain valuable public speaking and press interview skills. Some people want that, some don't. If you want to progress and especially if you are the lone designer in companies, as I have been several times, there are few other outlets to gain this type of experience.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby no_spec » February 25th, 2013, 4:37 pm


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a huge benefit, Tim.

If one recource could supply all the things you didn't learn in school - in order not to make rookie mistakes or waste effort re-inventing the wheel.
plus, the necessary upgrades that enable diagonal shifts for mid-career (or pidgeon holed) designers.

Is that a post-grad (non Masters) program in a design school? or, a series of IDSA/Core seminars?

Re: IDSA's new Prez

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Let's be clear. It's like 2 kicks to the crotch if I get nothing from the deal in exchange for my time/talent/treasure. Actually, that's like 3 kicks to the crotch.

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There has to be a wiifm. Every other professional organization does this through continuing education. Why would I hold IDSA to a lower standard? I suppose management experience is a tangible, but I get that from my work, I don't need more.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Timf » February 25th, 2013, 4:52 pm

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For an example, as Southern District VP I ran the district conferences. At the time I did it District VP's were kind of lone wolves. We did everything regarding the conferences. Taught me a ton about promotion, budgets, public speaking, talent acquisition, strategy and management of other volunteers. It was really rough and took up more hours than I care to remember but what I learned was something you could not get anywhere else. Now the National Office works very closely with the District VPs in many areas so the amount of work is less but there is still a lot of valuable education. In the business world I would have never been given this much control over such a large project. After I had done it I could show my success to the business world and they respected it.

I am all for all types of continuing education. Volunteerism is one aspect.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby Travisimo » March 1st, 2013, 7:57 am

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I remember that one Tim... it was the one and only district conference I attended in the South East and made some good connections there. Good job.

Re: IDSA's new Prez

Postby core77admin » March 2nd, 2013, 12:45 pm

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Yes it is true that the forum mods are volunteers. The structure governing these forums grew up organically over many years. I don't know if other organizations or publications pay salaries to people who function as moderators in a forum, or a group. Typically people do it because they enjoy this sort of interaction, and they also gain personal satisfaction or feedback that comes from being recognized in this role.

I'd love to hear more about what sort of value the community might get from a Core77/IDSA partnership. The agreement as it stands now is more about cross-promotional efforts and exchange of services between the two organizations. Perhaps it opens the doors to additional services or offerings for the members/audience. But what kind of connections, links, introductions, etc. would make sense? Keep in mind that technology solutions that leverage our existing properties and audiences are probably more likely to see the light of day, as neither side has extra staff resources.

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