Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » February 7th, 2013, 10:06 am

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In case anyone was interested in a review of the ASUS Taichi 31 (I wanted to try it out because of it's 13.3" size) it is now apparently delayed until December 2013 (I'd bet they have their hands full attempting to gain traction with the Taichi 21 (11.6" screen)). http://www.digitaltrends.com/laptop-reviews/asus-taichi-31-review/

We can't wait another year to upgrade sketching hardware so I'm now back on track to test a Paceblade 240 later this month.
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Travisimo » February 7th, 2013, 10:27 am

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Came to the same conclusion myself, Hywel... just pulled the trigger on a Samsung Ativ yesterday and the wife is going to pick it up in Houston next week.

I really wanted something sleek and and it fit the bill without waiting til summer or fall. Plus I don't need that much power for sketching and presentations, as I have other computers for that

It's got an i5, even if it is a slower one, so it should be plenty fast. If it isn't , then it'll go right onto ebay

Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Travisimo » February 7th, 2013, 10:28 am

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That stinks Scott...

Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » February 14th, 2013, 2:58 pm

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Another update on potential winners (or losers): Talked with the Paceblade folks in Sweden, who directed me to the folks they buy it from. Who would've thought it's a US company;

http://www.tabletkiosk.com/products/sahara/i500_overview.asp

I'd heard of TabletKiosk before, but not for PCs...that Paceblade PM240 unit is the same as the Sahara i550, a new version of the unit above (Sahara i500).

PROs
i7 processor
WACOM (yayyyy)
widi
displayport (for multiple monitors)
5 finger multi-touch (for Windows 8 )
fingerprint reader security
12.1" touchscreen (better than 11.6!)
dual batteries

CONs
HEAVY (3.3lb)
Intel HD graphics engine (but he claims it works great in this configuration)
only a 12.1" screen (worse than a 13.3", 14.1" or bigger)
only WXGA (1280x800) screen resolution.

An interesting product with some new and some aging spec's but still better suited to our specific needs than these mainstream Win 8 tablets we're seeing (if you're doing field research or serious sketching / CAD work while traveling, this is probably going to be a great unit). I've asked the TabeltKiosk folks to get one to us for a tryout, I'll try to video how well it works.
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Travisimo » February 15th, 2013, 9:27 am

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In my mind, I made the decision to go withthe Samsung was because I don't need a dedicated tablet CAD / sketch station... There's a desktop / Cintiq for serious firepower and a sleek portable tablet was more important for me

Sure I'll to hit the limits here and there, but I'm excited to get the Ativ pro in my hands! I'll post a short review when I get it
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » February 15th, 2013, 9:51 am

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Travisimo wrote:In my mind, I made the decision to go with a lower spec-ed machine was because I don't need a dedicated all-in-one laptop/sketch station... I have a desktop and Cintiq for more serious firepower. A sleek portable tablet was more important for me

I'm sure I'm going to hit the limits here and there, but I'm pretty excited to get the Ativ pro in my hands! I'll post a short review when I get it


I've been on a similar path trying to break out our activities via different machines - I'm testing out a workflow layout with an Asus 23" all-in-one that we spec'd heavy w/ an Nvidia GPU for CAD, graphics and general Win 8 admin stuff and I've got one of our Toshiba Tecras remaining in place for sketching-only, connected to the Asus desktop to share an external HDD, documents & sketches within our network. The Toshiba can go a short distance around the studio but not for long and not easily and it's definitely no longer a take-it-to-Starbucks-to-sketch-out-that-idea machine so I'm excited to hear your review on the Ativ Pro. Specifically your opinion of its size for sketching and its responsiveness (I'm guessing if you don't experience a lag while sketching and you find a place to put the stylus, it'll be golden - and it would make a very nice mobile field research machine as well). Interestingly, the Asus 23" is a touchscreen and came with a lite version of Sketchbook Pro - since its screen is capacitive I'll have to try the iPad styli and see if they work with any level of detail - but we'll plan to keep sketching on the Toshiba with it's awesome Wacom until you provide your praise for the Ativ!
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » March 1st, 2013, 1:22 pm

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Cyberdemon wrote:http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/wacom-teases-upcoming-hd-mobile-tablet-for-creative-uses/

Er...mah...gerd


Attn Wacom Product Managers; If you do make this tablet, make it bigger than the one shown, give it a Core i7 processor, lots of RAM and an Nvidia graphics engine. We will buy them. :)
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » March 21st, 2013, 8:19 am

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Reviving this thread - played around with a Surface Pro last night.

Loved everything about it except the screen size (for sketching) and one unknown; GPU performance.

Has anyone tried a big SolidWorks assembly on one of these - or even a big Rhino file? Or a 200mb Photoshop file?
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

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The HD4000 is pretty mediocre when it comes to integrated graphics. If you look at CAD benchmarks you might see anywhere from 1-10fps for certain apps.

It's certainly possible, and may be fine for some light geometry, but my Quadro 2000M chokes on big assemblies and that's a modern dedicated GPU.

Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » March 21st, 2013, 3:07 pm

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Cyberdemon wrote:The HD4000 is pretty mediocre when it comes to integrated graphics. If you look at CAD benchmarks you might see anywhere from 1-10fps for certain apps.

It's certainly possible, and may be fine for some light geometry, but my Quadro 2000M chokes on big assemblies and that's a modern dedicated GPU.


Yep, that's what I'm guessing will happen with the Surface Pro if we try anything of substance. If it were slightly bigger it could be a dedicated (and mobile!!) sketching / email / admin device but with the handicap of size + GPU performance, I'm still on the fence. FYI though, the Asus AIO that will make up the desktop companion to whichever tablet we finally go with is performing well (it's got the Nvidia GEforce GT 630Mand is handling everything with ease.

Surface Pro Artist Edition anyone (14" wacom enabled screen, Nvidia GPU, 10 hr batttery life)?.
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby mickdesign » May 7th, 2013, 11:48 am

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Did anybody end up trying the Surface Pro or Asus VivoTab? Was the consensus that the screen will be too small? What else is (finally) out there now? I have never used a Wacom stylus before but it is time to get into sketching with Sketchbook Pro and Photoshop.

Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Generatewhatsnext » May 7th, 2013, 4:18 pm

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mickdesign wrote:Did anybody end up trying the Surface Pro or Asus VivoTab? Was the consensus that the screen will be too small? What else is (finally) out there now? I have never used a Wacom stylus before but it is time to get into sketching with Sketchbook Pro and Photoshop.


Greetings - I tried a Surface Pro (after the upgrade that gave it pressure sensitivity) and it was adequate for Sketchbook Pro, but barely so for heavy GPU needs, same as with the Samsung Ativ and likely with the Asus Vivotab (but dont know for sure on that one). Note: look through this thread and others and you'll see a video showing lag on the Samsung unit while sketching, there's no way I could deal with that. Also of note; Asus promises to have a full featured tablet running Core i7 or better, Wacom enabled HD screen and discreet Nvidia graphics coming...soon.

The 'consensus' so far seems to be that none of the tablets out now have graphic capabilities we need, instead assuming whatever it takes to sketch with OneNote must be good enough.

In June, Tablet Kiosk is releasing an updated version of their Sahara tablet that promises to have all the bells and whistles we look for, except an Nvidia GPU. They've offered us a unit as soon as they're available. We will get it up and running when it arrives and report back. Otherwise, it's a wait-until-next-year game.
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Re: 2012 Win8 Sketching Tablets

Postby Travisimo » May 8th, 2013, 5:47 am

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I bought a Samsung Ativ and have been meaning to share a review.. here goes :-)

First impressions: It feels very futuristic compared to my X60 laptop; Windows 8 and the hardware make it feel more like a big smartphone than a laptop. The stylus works fine for sketchbook pro, though I imaging it is possible to bog it down with high res or too many layers. Build quality is good, though they should have used metal covers imo. I like the design oveall and the detachable Keyboard is a cool feature which is fun to use.

After a week: Windows 8 is a big change - it's like learning a new OS rather than a new version, though I do like it. Things take longer when your getting up to speed. Some programs are made for Win8 (like Explorer) and they work great, while others are not (like Chrome) and are harder to use. New features like the photo login are great... So is the email, metro start screen, and gestural controls once you get used to it. It was a little frustrating having to go slow to learn it all though

Screen resolution is way too high for such a small screen, at least with standard programs. Icons and menu items on regular windows programs are near impossible to hit with a finger, unless you tweak the settings for bigger fonts (once you do that, things are fine). Im surprised you have to do this for the stock OS it shipped with - Samsung should have set that stuff beforehand. Wide format makes your working area small in the vertical dimension, which is un-ideal for photo work IMO because the standard shaped images are very small when you view the entire thing + the bottom bar takes up screen space. The hinge doesn't allow more than about a 110 degree opening, which works on a desk but it'd be better if it was more on the lap for example, though the screen/tablet is top-heavy and it'd fall over if it did lean back more.

There's no way to to easily turn off the touchscreen when you're sketching! This is frustrating. Lack of hardware buttons is also frustration coming from a Cintiq. For the keyboard screen connection, the lock is secure though occasionally the link between the two disconnects and you have to push the tablet down into the keyboard to reconnect. Last gripe, the 128 GB of hard drive space is barely adequate and without tweaking some of the automated backup settings and clouds services I have, the hard drive fills up fast. there is however a microsd card slot that would allow a 128GB 2nd drive upgrade. It runs 3D programs too; I've put Rhino on there but haven't seriously pushed it yet.... this is handy for rough shape underlays in SBP. Need to try SW or Keyshot sometime.

After one month: It's great once your used to it and I really like it now, though I'd say it's more of an ultrabook/souped up tablet than a mobile workstation (it really never fit that profile anyway). It's great for sketching on the road, emails, surfing, content consumption and light content creation... Processor, Hardware, etc. are more than adequate for those uses... however a desktop workstation is going to be much more comfortable for normal workflow speeds.

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