Postby jon_winebrenner » March 24th, 2008, 11:30 am

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i think the ink one should win, just to spite this guy and his negative comments


Reviewing the submissions today. Now accepting bribes.

Oh, and I am in a pissy mood b/c Purdue lost to Xavier this weekend. Just had to get that in there.

Postby zippyflounder » March 24th, 2008, 1:08 pm


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rkuchinsky wrote:
yo wrote:
zippyflounder wrote:Nobody ever considers accidentle activation, bystanders getting sprayed, or a easy deafeat by putting a plastic baggy over the lock...jeeze people user your F'ING heads for a change.



Smell would combat the simple plastic bag trick. Retail stores don't seem to worry about the accidental activation when they put ink tags on expensive clothing... Jeez Zippy, maybe you could have entered the competition? Used your head that way?


maybe its just me, but ill take a bad or not so good idea over no ideas any day. ;)

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Postby zippyflounder » March 24th, 2008, 1:11 pm


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progee818 wrote:
rkuchinsky wrote:
yo wrote:
zippyflounder wrote:Nobody ever considers accidentle activation, bystanders getting sprayed, or a easy deafeat by putting a plastic baggy over the lock...jeeze people user your F'ING heads for a change.



Smell would combat the simple plastic bag trick. Retail stores don't seem to worry about the accidental activation when they put ink tags on expensive clothing... Jeez Zippy, maybe you could have entered the competition? Used your head that way?


maybe its just me, but ill take a bad or not so good idea over no ideas any day. ;)

R


i think the ink one should win, just to spite this guy and his negative comments
Pointing out flaws is part of the design process or are you of the era where if your breathing in and out on your own your get gold stars and put on the honnor roll?

Postby progee818 » March 24th, 2008, 4:21 pm


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zippyflounder wrote:
progee818 wrote:
rkuchinsky wrote:
yo wrote:
zippyflounder wrote:Nobody ever considers accidentle activation, bystanders getting sprayed, or a easy deafeat by putting a plastic baggy over the lock...jeeze people user your F'ING heads for a change.



Smell would combat the simple plastic bag trick. Retail stores don't seem to worry about the accidental activation when they put ink tags on expensive clothing... Jeez Zippy, maybe you could have entered the competition? Used your head that way?


maybe its just me, but ill take a bad or not so good idea over no ideas any day. ;)

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i think the ink one should win, just to spite this guy and his negative comments
Pointing out flaws is part of the design process or are you of the era where if your breathing in and out on your own your get gold stars and put on the honnor roll?


yea, true zippy, but i think its more successful when you point out flaws constructively.. rather than getting upset about it. also, its good to keep an open mind when looking at more "blue sky" concepts and then narrow from there.. and not bash from the start. my thoughts.

Postby yo » March 24th, 2008, 4:54 pm

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zippyflounder wrote:...jeeze people user your F'ING heads for a change.


not constructive.

Postby nerdtronic » March 24th, 2008, 5:50 pm


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going back to the ink spraying lock-

like yo, i don't think there is any need to worry about accidental activation. there would probably be some collatoral damage to other bikes and the surrounding environment, but the chemistry of the ink could minimize the impact.

i do not think defeating the lock would be as simple as covering it with a plastic baggy. Firstly, the lock would be intertwined between multiple parts of the bicycle and a stationary object. Covering the lock would not be that easy. Secondly, the lock would still need to be cut, which would open up a hole in the bag for liquid to escape through. I'm sure there is a way around this, but I'm also sure there is a way to design a solution for that, as well.

what i like about this concept is that it fights back. most locks on the market and most (but not all) in the competition will only serve to deter the inexperienced and slow down the professionals. This one might make them think twice about whether the theft is worth it.

also, this was a 1 hour design competition so i wouldn't expect it to be perfect. and it wasn't even my entry, so i'll let it be for now.

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progee818 wrote:
zippyflounder wrote:
progee818 wrote:
rkuchinsky wrote:
yo wrote:
zippyflounder wrote:Nobody ever considers accidentle activation, bystanders getting sprayed, or a easy deafeat by putting a plastic baggy over the lock...jeeze people user your F'ING heads for a change.



Smell would combat the simple plastic bag trick. Retail stores don't seem to worry about the accidental activation when they put ink tags on expensive clothing... Jeez Zippy, maybe you could have entered the competition? Used your head that way?


maybe its just me, but ill take a bad or not so good idea over no ideas any day. ;)

R


i think the ink one should win, just to spite this guy and his negative comments
Pointing out flaws is part of the design process or are you of the era where if your breathing in and out on your own your get gold stars and put on the honnor roll?


yea, true zippy, but i think its more successful when you point out flaws constructively.. rather than getting upset about it. also, its good to keep an open mind when looking at more "blue sky" concepts and then narrow from there.. and not bash from the start. my thoughts.
blue sky is fine, poorly thought out is a whole different kettle of fish.

Postby *sketcher* » March 25th, 2008, 12:45 pm


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I live in Barcelona, and the municipal bike system here has been in use for about a year now (bicing.com).

It actually works quite well, (some teething problems with over-subscription, and thus often you can´t find a station with a bike or a station with a space to park again), but its advantages outweigh the disadvantages. The bikes themselves are nothing special, but they still get stolen and "pimped up" or "fixied". It seems that a bike in Barcelona is a stealable/desirable item, and the only way to minimise the possibility that your two wheels get half-inched is to make them look as knackered and unsaleable as possible (think paint, old sut-up tyres wrapped around the frame, etc.)

It´s sponsored by ClearChannel (a controversial aspect of the system), and provided by the local council - you sign up for a year at a time, and receive a swipe-card to use at the stations.

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Postby electroniceyes » March 25th, 2008, 1:08 pm


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ip_wirelessly wrote:
progee818 wrote:
i think the ink one should win, just to spite this guy and his negative comments


Reviewing the submissions today. Now accepting bribes.

Oh, and I am in a pissy mood b/c Purdue lost to Xavier this weekend. Just had to get that in there.


do we bribe through paypal??

Postby mvisbeek » March 27th, 2008, 4:03 am

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*sketcher* wrote:I live in Barcelona, and the municipal bike system here has been in use for about a year now (bicing.com).

It actually works quite well, (some teething problems with over-subscription, and thus often you can´t find a station with a bike or a station with a space to park again), but its advantages outweigh the disadvantages. The bikes themselves are nothing special, but they still get stolen and "pimped up" or "fixied". It seems that a bike in Barcelona is a stealable/desirable item, and the only way to minimise the possibility that your two wheels get half-inched is to make them look as knackered and unsaleable as possible (think paint, old sut-up tyres wrapped around the frame, etc.)

It´s sponsored by ClearChannel (a controversial aspect of the system), and provided by the local council - you sign up for a year at a time, and receive a swipe-card to use at the stations.


Ah I didn't realize the bikes had to be paid for. We have something in the Netherlands called OV-fiets (public transportation bike) and it works about the same. Get a year subscription and you can get a bike at every trainstation for about 2 euros per use.

I thought real 'white bike' systems were based on non-paid free for everyone to use bikes, but that couldn't be possible in this time ;)

Edit:
Something similar has been going on for cars lately, it's called GreenWheels and there are these red Peugeot 206's with green wheels that you can pick up with your membership card. Very nice!

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mvisbeek wrote:I thought real 'white bike' systems were based on non-paid free for everyone to use bikes, but that couldn't be possible in this time ;)


Nothing is ever free, someone always pays somewhere somehow, even if they don't know it.

We also have a similar car system called zipcar that works very well.
http://www.zipcar.com/

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Think there will be a winner anytime soon?

Postby *sketcher* » March 28th, 2008, 7:01 am


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mvisbeek wrote:Ah I didn't realize the bikes had to be paid for. We have something in the Netherlands called OV-fiets (public transportation bike) and it works about the same. Get a year subscription and you can get a bike at every trainstation for about 2 euros per use.
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2E/use? Wow! Ours cost 6E for a year´s subscription (use it as much as you like; it´s open during the times the metro runs), although after the initial offer it´s gone up to 26E, I think. Still not bad when a single metro ticket costs around 1.20E (approx.). It works well because the centre of Bcn is quite small, as cities go, (although they could have more bike lanes - I think Holland´s far ahead on that aspect!), whereas I can´t imagine how it´ll work in London where they have plans to install it soon...

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Postby TheBald » March 28th, 2008, 2:01 pm


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For the record, I particularly like zama's "locko", maybe not theft-proof (cut cable and brake lines) but a pleasantly simple idea for a better bike lock that doesn't require buying a custom bike.

Postby Kinl » March 28th, 2008, 9:42 pm


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for what its worth.....

Muffcuff - you can pretty much already get them, easy snippable wires

VBSS - very expencive, open to vandalism and the ratio of bikes locked to space required is uneconomic

Maxsters - very painful if malfunctions

Compo Net - Great idea, but would need a whole backpack to store a net that strong and big, could take you a while to lock and untangle

Bike Alarm - Smashable, mufflable (is that a word?), needs someone to care to stop a theif

JGB Bike Lock - you can already get them pretty much, but they are the best locks around, a simple but effective variation

Hexbolt - Steal it, drill out the bolts and replace

Steel Wheel - Unlikely to be feasible with current materials, would not fit all types of bikes, no good for wheelies

MagniLock - I'm not sure how you'd have the strength to even part magnets so powerfull, you'd be a danger to all things electrical and possibly the earths own magnetic field

The Judge - Take it off before you steal it, fun idea I'd buy one to booby trap friends bikes

1HDC - only room for 1 thick cable of decent length in seat shaft, maybe 2 thin cables which could be easly snipped

Belt Lock - Nice idea, would be quite bulky and potentially snipable but maybe not as much as a cable would be

Intergrated Bike Lock and Pump - Nice idea, only for race handlebars and spokeless wheels???

Kickstand - Pick it up and run or steal all the other parts

The Shock Lock - Spray with insulation foam, Snip

Brake Lock - Snip brake cables, ride away, stay away from steep hills

Theft Proof Bike (seat cable) - Neat solution, snipable

Tri Cuffs - Nice idea, not really sure how cuttin the cable and THEN the cuffs lock up helps, just dont cut it and carry the bike? ;) The wheel cuffs are a good idea though, the environment lock is still a cable, snipable

K10 TD System - Awesome

Fleur de le Spike - Wear medieval armour then steal, joust your way past anyone in your way

Locbike - Definitely theft proof, maybe purchase proof too

Socialist Bike - I'll take mine in red

To be honest if they want to steal it they will and if those same people see a fancy bike that will disable itself by cutting a wire then they would probably do that anyway and move on to a bike they can steal, best thing to do is to buy a cheap bike and standard lock.. infact thinking about it designing the cheapest bike possible with intergrated cable lock and leaving your full suspension model at home when tootling to the shops would have been a reasonably good idea...

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