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feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 24th, 2017, 2:25 pm
by cwatkinson
doing my weekly view of the industry employment needs and came across this one...... for a "large Boston-based university" this seems a little off
or is this something at a student would love to have an opportunity to do..... I personally thought it would be fun then i say the price...... perhaps if it was in the area i would do it pro-bono.....


Industrial Designers needed for 4-hour workshop, Thursday 3/16
Location: Seattle, WA Posted: Feb 22
Job Description

This is an in-person, 4-hour hands-on workshop at the SURF incubator with masters-level student teams working on innovation projects. You will work with the teams to develop concepts from pre-vetted opportunities. The following are the workshop deliverables:

- 3-5 rough concept sketches
- 1 refined sketch
- A rough mock-up (cardboard, foam, or clay). Materials will be provided.
- Preliminary InVision (if an app) or Solidworks model of design.

We need 5 designers, the pay is fixed at $150.00.

This is a fun opportunity and great portfolio builder! Lunch is included.

Please send a portfolio upon application. This job is paid via a large Boston-based university.

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 25th, 2017, 8:55 pm
by Cyberdemon
$150 for 4 hours of work isn't much, but since it's working in academia at least they threw in lunch. That hourly rate would work out to ~$75k/yr which is still better then the average starting salary of an ID grad.

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 7:23 am
by cwatkinson
Cyberdemon wrote:$150 for 4 hours of work isn't much, but since it's working in academia at least they threw in lunch. That hourly rate would work out to ~$75k/yr which is still better then the average starting salary of an ID grad.



When you put it into those terms, yeah i can see that it is pretty good.

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 9:04 am
by iab
cwatkinson wrote:
Cyberdemon wrote:$150 for 4 hours of work isn't much, but since it's working in academia at least they threw in lunch. That hourly rate would work out to ~$75k/yr which is still better then the average starting salary of an ID grad.



When you put it into those terms, yeah i can see that it is pretty good.


Actually, those terms are deceiving. First, getting 2000 billable hours is not a practicable estimate. 1200-1500 is reasonable. Also, the overhead for an independent has a higher tax rate and foots the entire insurance (health and liability) bill. The list of overhead goes on, but those are the big boys.

Plumbers are a minimum of $80/hour. Are you saying you value yourself at less than half of a plumber?

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 9:48 am
by cwatkinson
For me no, the cost at my level is no less then $100 per hour, but if they want perhaps students then that may be favorable. The thing i found funny was that they didn't define what level they are looking for, yet they do want a portfolio...... it also seemed like the amount of work they wanted in 4 hours would need to be very very rough...... (but that may just be my speed and skill set.....)

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 10:20 am
by yo
If I were them I would get 1 or 2 professionals at between $150-300 per hour plus prep time, a couple of recent grads at $50/hr and then a few design students for free lunch.

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 12:32 pm
by Mr-914
Re-reading the original post, this seems like they want a design consultant to work on their project but at 1/20 the time and 1/100 the cost. As that graphic designer says, "____ you, pay me".

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 2:30 pm
by Dan Lewis
- 3-5 rough concept sketches
- 1 refined sketch
- A rough mock-up (cardboard, foam, or clay). Materials will be provided.
- Preliminary InVision (if an app) or Solidworks model of design.


Whatever the pay, that's a lot to do in 4 hours. Are they expecting that the designer shows up with appropriate hardware and software?

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: February 27th, 2017, 2:55 pm
by yo
Agreed, the art is going to be in the prep here. Typically when we would do workshops like this at frog, or in my role now, we would frequently have a pre session where we would brainstorm ideas and come to the actual workshop with a bunch of pre thoughts that could be easily spiced in. I think a mega rough mockup is OK (as long as it is popsicle sticks and bubble gum level), but the In Vision part will not be collaborative. Could easily be done with a paper proto.

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: March 3rd, 2017, 11:25 am
by Brian_Donlin
Mr-914 wrote:Re-reading the original post, this seems like they want a design consultant to work on their project but at 1/20 the time and 1/100 the cost. As that graphic designer says, "____ you, pay me".


You mean Ray Liotta? I can't figure out how to embed this, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXMCoIeSaYw

Re: feels a little under valued

PostPosted: March 3rd, 2017, 12:20 pm
by Mr-914
I don't like gangster films, that's my cultural blind spot. Thanks!