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Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby powaz » February 8th, 2014, 11:13 pm

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yo wrote:It is hard to change a culture if you are not in a position to do so. My recommendation, stay focused on your personal end game. Where do you want to be in 15-20 years... back track to where you are now and figure out what steps you will need to take. You have a job in design and that is a great start. Put some weekends into some portfolio building concept projects. If you were in charge of you company what would you design? If you were in you dream job what would you design? Channel the negative situation into positive action. Get that folio together, post it on coroflot, behance, et all and make the next step on your path.


As hard as I can.


yo wrote:The alternative is acceptance of bitterness.


Not exactly an alternative, right?

mo-i wrote:Good to see you took that rant down, entirely. Shows you
are willing and able to deliberate what you do.


I suppose. Deliberating a bit more before clicking "Submit" might have been prudent.

mo-i wrote:what you experience is pretty typical. Corporations
are not run in vacuum, there is friction.


Well, that’s sad. Although, I suppose it depends on what kind of friction.

mo-i wrote:Could you compete with your old company?
mo-i


Not really crazy about the industry in general.


chevisw wrote:awww, i wanted to see the rant.


It wasn’t that great.

Robbie_roy wrote:How attached are you to your town/area?


It’s a pretty great town, but certainly i’d skip the joint for the right opportunity. Had an interview a couple hours north a couple months ago. Didn’t get it, but I didn’t really want it that bad either since I didn’t really like that industry either. As a couple others have said, it’s nice to have a job, one of the plusses being I at least can be a little choosey.


rkuchinsky wrote:what you are experiencing is pretty par for the course, be it in a small company, consultancy, or even a larger in house division. There are always those up the food chain that have their own ideas, are difficult to work with, have unreasonable deadlines, etc.


Jeez. Figures I guess. People are people.

rkuchinsky wrote:"That being said, the grass is often greener" does apply.


That’s pretty much the reason I’m not looking too hard and confirms a lot of my suspicions. Day-to-day is a real… :evil: sometimes.


NURB wrote:It's always nice to have a continual paycheck when you're looking for work.


Word.

nxakt wrote:I liked the original post. If it had elements that were traceable back to the original company then good to take those out, but the post was, for me a good one.


Well at least there was one. :shock:


nxakt wrote:The basics were that you were put into an almost impossible crunch of expectations, new technologies, inflexible management that perhaps did not understand the parameters involved in moving from point D to point X.


Perfect summary!

nxakt wrote:I have shared those kinds of experiences, they really help me to grow. You are trying to push your own boundaries and asking at the same time if you are just whining.


That’s good to know. Yeah that’s the she whole thing. I love the work, the expectations are just not realistic. And then when what I predict comes to pass and I’m still given unrealistic deadlines… The density of some heads is just incredible. But then you start thinking that maybe you are the unreasonable one… Maybe you can get all this stuff done in a week… maybe you are just lazy… maybe you are just whining.

nxakt wrote:I have always felt it is better to go out in a fireball and learn something than to bail out early and acknowledge that a task is impossible. Fortunately in my experience the fireball never happened, things came together and the projects happened. Of course the there is no upside, no one will recognize that you pulled a rabbit out of a hat, they will just expect that they were right all along. Which means as we all know, your days or weeks or months before your next move are numbered.

Good luck.


Thanks. That’s the thing. I doubt they’re going to just pull the plug on all these projects. They’re going to get done. Just not by next month. Of course it will be all my fault and it’ll be a big shitstorm till the end, but they’ll eventually get done. At least I hope. And the moment they do…


yo wrote:I think the original rant could have been edited a bit to be a tad more professional (especially the nicknames) and more anonymized. It was good to have for context, but it seems like most of us read it anyway :-)


Would you restore a Pontiac 6000? As I also mentioned, most of the nicknames were not mine - I’m not really one to come up with lame nicknames for people I don’t like - and there were some much worse ones to chose from I decided not to use!


@all

Thanks for steering me in a positive direction. That was a real turd, I should have been banned from the boards for something so puerile.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby yo » February 9th, 2014, 10:39 am

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Not at all. Don't worry about it. If you didn't post it you would not have gotten so much input. Good luck and keep us updated.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby powaz » March 30th, 2014, 11:28 am

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So everything was supposed to go to the show Thursday. And most of it did. The original product (the one they've been working on for ten years and the updated one we've been redesigning for six months) was passable. Barely. Product #2 was a very rough working prototype. But it worked and looked OK from 10 or 15 feet. A week and a half ago it was looking very much like product #3 (my very clever concept) was not going to ship. So Boss had us work on a second, very simple version. That did, barely, get finished. it was also a very _R_O_U_G_H_ POS but it shipped.

Is this all too specific?

Tomorrow is the show. Boss has been out of the country the past couple weeks so he hasn't really seen any of this stuff, so it will be interesting to see what happens when he shows up to the show. It will be even more interesting to see what happens when he gets back into town... Fortunately the sales guy is super chill about it all and realizes how absurd the timelines were and how hamstrung we are by ancient technology. He's going to attempt to pitch them as working prototypes. At this point I'm just kinds happy it's all over at least for a few days and I can just zone out on some wire grids.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby powaz » April 20th, 2016, 4:53 pm

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mo-i wrote:
2. Use all your time and strength to make these new products fly.
3. Be ready for takeoff by June.
4. Check back here by then.

mo-i



They didn't fly. Still aren't flying. Not that I didn’t try. But I don't care. I'm no longer there.

June came & went. Came & went again.

So I didn't check back.

The recruiters started calling me in Jan. '15. The first one, on my birthday, was a 6mo contract gig. I should have taken it. A couple out-of-the-cube phone calls a month were taken. Several "dentist appointments" happened.

I kept working on personal projects.

In October of last year I bought a general admission ticket to the local "round A" startup pitch event that I actually pitched at a couple years ago (project still in progress). Figured I needed to get out of the routine of Lameness I was in. I was fired at the end of that same month.

I only wish I hadn't acted so defeated. I should have been like; Cool! Welp, I know where the door is!

Through a connection I landed an interview at a company in town that does some "product design". I've known about them for a while, but through the connection I gathered that they didn't pay that well and it wasn't a lot better than where I was at. The interview went OK, but they admitted at the time that they weren't ready for a full time IDer yet, but they were pretty sure they would be needing one "in the near future". OK...

At the pitch event I spoke with one of the finalists and advised him on what software he should use. The following week he was asking me when I could get started. I don't even recall pitching my services, but maybe I did. I guess at the very least I sounded like an expert (thanks two free drinks).

I've come to realize that, as a designer, you have to have some kind of a fallback plan. For some it's waiting or bartending. The guy that quit a couple years before I was let go was a line cook. My other coworker who quit one year before took a job in a grocery store deli. Fortunately, my brothers do landscaping work. I love being outside and there's a certain zen to mowing grass and setting patio stones. Working with family has it's own set of issues, but at least I know what I'm up against. Unemployment checks help, but for how long?

The startup work has finally begun, so that's pretty cool. It does feel kinda badass writing contracts n sht! It's not a lot at first, but *could* certainly develop into pretty consistent work for a year or two anyway. Of course, now I'm going to have to have an accountant & lawyer on retainer & all that great stuff. Cool sht?

Against my better judgement I started using one of these pay-to-play bidding websites. Yes, it's slimy, but I thought I'd give it a shot. To my surprise, I've actually gotten a couple paying gigs out of it with a couple more, bigger, cooler projects in the works. I dunno. Whatever. If they fall through I'll probably burn off the rest of my credits and focus on more personal networking.

A couple weeks ago I got called up about a second interview at "product design". I had seen the ad for "Graphic Designer" but hesitated because I didn't want to get trapped in Photoshop & Illustrator for God knows how long. It was basically the same interview but different, since it was a slightly different position. The interviewer (SVP) could tell I was enjoying my independence a little too much. Basically I'd be doing graphics for packaging & products with an ID project crammed in between every month or so. Sounds great right...?

They've been calling my references, so I guess I'm on the short list.

The problem is, now I've got 2-3 freelance/contract ID clients that are counting on me to get work done. It's not like I can realistically do this stuff on nights & weekends. I mean I probably could, but... ugh.

So I'm thinking about pitching doing contract ID work for them whenever they need it. There are a lot of plusses. I'm 5min down the road. I could come in and work in the office if need be, even if for a "kickoff meeting" (old place term - I don't know what real ones are called). I would get to do work for them and keep my current clients happy. They wouldn't have all the overhead & baggage of a full time employee (not so great for me) and I wouldn't be stuck doing monotonous packaging graphics 90% of the time. They would get to see if they *think they need* a real IDer (they do) or not, and I would get some consistent contract work (at least until they realize they don't need me or like what I'm doing for them. Then I don't have to get fired, just unceremoniously excommunicated, if that's any better. And a friend pointed out that it makes me look sort-of like a badass and not quite as desperate, if it looks like I have other awesome stuff going on and gives me a little bargaining power, if only hypothetically. If I can pull it off without being a weirdo, which is hard for me.

At least it sounds totally kickass in my head.

Also in my head there is a decent chance they will balk and say they "need to have someone there full time to be a part of the corporate culture" & all that kind of malarky. Then my chances of getting an offer go WAY down. But all their ID now is done by crude CAD work done in house by the self taught CNC tech, and whatever factory they're working with in China. So why wouldn't they go for it, right?

So I wrote all this because I know you guys have been sitting around in your spare time desperately wondering whatever happened to me :lol:

I don't know that I'm looking for advice or comments or anything, just. You know, internet therapy.

You guys are great.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby yo » April 20th, 2016, 5:52 pm

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I say pitch the part time work to the firm as contract. The worst they can say is no which is right back where you are, but if they say yes, between those projects, the other work you are doing, and the start up you have patched together a nice little work stream. A couple of years of that and your network will be so strong that it will probably be a lot easier to find a job, or you won't need one.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby Generatewhatsnext » April 21st, 2016, 9:18 am

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I've been rant-denied. or rant-blocked. dam* it.
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Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby yo » April 21st, 2016, 9:15 pm

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Scott, you didn't have a post blocked did you?

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby Generatewhatsnext » April 22nd, 2016, 11:31 am

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yo wrote:Scott, you didn't have a post blocked did you?


No, all's well, thx. I just saw this thread late, after he deleted his original rant...probably good as it might have become a time suck. :)
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Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby yo » April 22nd, 2016, 10:50 pm

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Ok. Thanks. Just making sure. Just wanted to make sure something didn't get deleted by accident.

Re: Am I an entitled little twit?

Postby powaz » April 26th, 2016, 11:09 pm

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So I got the call. They made an offer. It's slightly less than I was making at my previous gig. The irony is I got the call the day my first "big" freelance check got dropped in the mail. I told them I need 24-48hrs to think about it. They're desperate. I can smell it. They're swamped and one of their designers is going on paternity (maybe maternity, but she said paternity) leave. I know deep down I have some leverage, but when it comes down to it, actually using it confidently is one of my weaknesses as a designer.

But freelance is seeming dicier just since I don't know how regular my current freelance is really going to be. Not that one ever can. And if they don't go for it, then it's that much less I'd be pulling in as an indie.

I know I'd be fairly unhappy there long term. I can do graphic design, but I'm not that great at it and I find it a little tedious and boring. I suspect the actual ID work that I would get to do will be managed to death and pretty frustrating. But I also know I'd be able to pay mortgage and feed my family, though, I wouldn't be able to afford to fix my car or house. Not that that has ever been the case. It's just one of those decisions that nobody but me can make. Do I chose stability over sanity basically.

So I'm thinking about pitching coming on to "help out", as we say in the South, during crunch time/paternity leave and then transition into a more intermittent contract ID role. I think there are a lot of advantages to that plan which I guess I need to list and memorize so I sound intelligent when I present it. Easier said than done.

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