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Greenman wrote:
I totally agree it depends on the environment of the designer, however those industrial designers that give thought and attention to process, mass production, and assembly can find themselves earning lots of extra credibility beyond a "pretty picture" stereotype.

An invaluable industrial designer is one that can symphonize the wants and desires of the end-user with the realities and limitations of production and manufacturing. I realize that this is asking a lot from any one individual, but these are the qualities of an influential designer.



I agree with you on these points, an industrial designer with knowledge of material, process and assembly is helpful to his job,"pretty picture" stereotype can not add any values on their products.

A good designer(industrial design or product design) is who can see inside of customer and know what customer wants exactly,and more important,he knows how to present customer's idea(maybe sometimes his own idea) in visible and understanble way,and ensure it is pissible to produce.


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sonaheart wrote:
Greenman wrote:
A good designer(industrial design or product design) is who can see inside of customer and know what customer wants exactly,and more important,he knows how to present customer's idea(maybe sometimes his own idea) in visible and understanble way,and ensure it is pissible to produce.


Anyone who honestly knows 'exactly' what the customer 'really' wants is a genius, each customer is unique, yes their are behavioral similarities but no two customers are identical.

A good designer (industrial & product) is great at critical problem solving.... plus has the skills to express their solutions in a legible manner. Little more than that. I also think it is irrelevant to try to separate the difference between the 2 types of design title.... they are pretty much just titles, no much more.

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hey guys new here but this is my understanding;


Just to say, first of all this is what im studying atm; product design at swinburne uni VIC Austrailia, under the faculty of engineering, all the following is cut n paste.

Product Design is a combination of two traditionally separate fields each with its own strength: engineering with its scientific material and manufacturing knowledge and industrial design with its human centred approach to design. They have been brought together to produce a new breed of graduates who will be able to design and develop competitive products from concept to engineering validation and manufacture.

Career Opportunities:

Graduates will find employment in industries dealing in the design, development and manufacture of domestic products or the automobile industry. Their role will be primarily in the area of design, innovation, project management and manufacturing.

Graduates are eligible to apply for graduate membership of the Institution of Engineers, Australia and the Design Institute of Australia.

Program Outcomes
At completion of their program at Swinburne, graduates should be able to:

a) apply fundamental knowledge of engineering, mathematics and science;
b) use the techniques, skills and modern tools in product design engineering to practice as a product design engineer;
c) identify, formulate, solve and evaluate engineering problems;
d) design and conduct experiments as well as to analyse and interpret data;
e) identify and practice professional and ethical responsibility;
f) design and develop engineering solutions to meet desired needs within realistic economic, environmental, social, ethical, health and safety, manufacturing, and sustainability constraints;
g) apply knowledge and skills that are demonstrably in demand by the industry;
h) recognise the need for and to engage in lifelong learning;
i) function and communicate effectively in multi-disciplinary teams.

the following are excerpts from Wiki;

Product design is sometimes confused with industrial design, industrial design is concerned with the aspect of that process that brings that sort of artistic form and usability usually associated with craft design to that of mass produced goods.

Product designers conceptualize and evaluate ideas, making them tangible through products in a more systematic approach. Their role is to combine art, science and technology to create tangible three-dimensional goods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_design

TO sum up i would say that Product design is the blending of traditional industrial design with a more mechanical engineering and material science flavor . I think that it is a fairly recent development meant to bridge the gap between engineers and designers, buy educating new designers in a multi discipline way. in industry you will find many older designers or engineers with may years of experience that through their life have cross pollinated with the other side ( eng or des) and become more useful as team leaders who can understand and comunicate between the two fields , and most importantly follow the product all the way through its life cycle.

thats what i understand any way , please point out any errors if u feel


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Well if we are mostly in the industry and are arguing back and forth about a name, quoting snippets from the net what does that say about us? they are interchangeable obviously!

I have been in the industry and worked in 2 Countries for a number of consultancies sometimes my business card read: "Industrial designer" and sometimes it said "Product Designer" my responsibilities remained the same.

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I have been in the industry and worked in 2 Countries for a number of consultancies sometimes my business card read: "Industrial designer" and sometimes it said "Product Designer" my responsibilities remained the same.


My last in-house corporate business card read, "Senior Engineer", but my responsibilities and skill set remained those of an Industrial Designer.

What I find more than a little annoying is that many industries, banking in particular, refer to their services as "products"; loan products, retirement products, etc. I realize that in marketing, a product is anything that can be offered to a market that might satisfy a want or need, but it is still seems somehow misguided. And adds to the confusion (?).
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esg wrote:What is the difference between Product Design and Industrial Design? What is the course study at school for each? What are the different tasks in the Job? Thank you for your input.

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yo wrote:As Tool Design morphed to Industrial Design to better describe the education designers received in manufacturing processes and designing for mass production, Industrial Design is currently morphing to Product Design to better explain our knowledge of the entire product experience from research, to line building, to interaction design, to user experience. Industrial Design, based in Industrial Revolution era thinking, implies a tie explicitly to manufacturing. Product Design makes us responsible for the entire process and is a more encompassing term.


Exactly. Also the term 'industrial designer' relates more to the back end of the production process - while a product designer works more multidisciplinary and research-oriented in order to establish new concepts and new interactions with products, services and systems. The title product designer nowadays is even used for digital media developers in some companies. In the Netherlands 'product designer' is related to a lower education level than 'industrial designer' and more related to engineering, though in professional life 'product designer' is a more encompassing term.
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Lately I've flipped back to using Industrial Design because I consider not only designing the products and experiences, but taking a macro approach to shaping the industry I'm working in :-) ... but n the end it doesn't matter. What you say you do is irrelevant compared to showing what you actually have done.

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Lmo wrote:What I find more than a little annoying is that many industries, banking in particular, refer to their services as "products"; loan products, retirement products, etc. I realize that in marketing, a product is anything that can be offered to a market that might satisfy a want or need, but it is still seems somehow misguided. And adds to the confusion (?).

^^^ This is so true. Any virtual or digital thing is now called a 'product' too. If you filter 'product design' on indeed you're going to get a HUGE range of non-ID stuff. =)
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Another designer's take on the difference between industrial design and product design.
https://medium.com/@WillGibbonsDesign/i ... .ye3k29r1t


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Why is this a thing?

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I honestly don't know, but apparently people get confused. Some people like to make life a harder than it is. :-)


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Industrial and product designing both are serving different field as per their expertise. Industrial designers are using their skill to create designs for various industries such as Healthcare, Industries, Automotive and Other Industries. Product Designers using their skills to create product that is interactive for the market this designing includes software products, shipping products, and other products that are related to generation and ideas development through a process that leads to the product.


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yo wrote:Another designer's take on the difference between industrial design and product design.
https://medium.com/@WillGibbonsDesign/i ... .ye3k29r1t

I completely disagree with this definition.

And I do think it is really important and it does matter what the difference is because searching for "Product Design" for jobs or articles or papers now is an absolute nightmare due to app/web developers jacking the name.

In the UK one University has a BSc Product Design and a BA Industrial Design and Technology. In the opinion of basically everyone but them they have these the wrong way round! Industrial Design is more science and engineering than degrees like Product Design which are more related to human factors (emotion, psychology, desires, aesthetics, etc, etc).

I think it would be easier to drop the Product Design usage for us due to its hijacking, as sad as that is.

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To confuse things more, things are different in the UK (understatement of the century I know). Industrial design in the UK tends to be more of a highbred between ID and ME. In the US programs range from being more conceptual to being more human centered to being more aligned with ME (thought not as much as what I have seen from the UK programs) and all of them tend to be called ID.

More confusing still, some Res call themselves product designers... we should probably just scrap English and start over :-)

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