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Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 18th, 2017, 7:12 am
by 250gb
Brian_Donlin wrote:Those metal cylinders are starting to look pretty good! Especially the ones toward the bottom of the middle image. I always have a really hard time with chrome and glossy materials.


Yea it takes some practise i guess. The more reflective the material the more streaks that occur I think..

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 19th, 2017, 9:36 am
by 250gb
Messed up the dial at the top but overall ok i think... Next, own design.

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Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 20th, 2017, 12:44 pm
by yo
getting there. try to get looser with he lifework. Longer, lines. I can see you starting and stoping in the line work.

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 20th, 2017, 1:48 pm
by 250gb
yo wrote:getting there. try to get looser with he lifework. Longer, lines. I can see you starting and stoping in the line work.



Hey Michael. I'm finding making clean swift lines on the cylinders almost impossible... But i'll keep practising. Another thing if i get a line wrong then it screws up the whole sketch LOL. I guess that's what underlays are for...

I did this before reading your last post.. (own design)

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Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 20th, 2017, 5:10 pm
by yo
It takes a lot of practice. don't beat yourself up, just keep at it. Notice in my sketch it wasn't perfect, and I took a few passes at it.

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 21st, 2017, 12:23 pm
by 250gb
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Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 21st, 2017, 1:58 pm
by Winslow_Harte
It looks like you don't quite nail down a concept before jumping to markers, which aren't as forgiving as a pen/pencil.
It's easy to keep adding to one sketch, but sometimes its good to get those first ideas down then grab a new piece of paper and overlay w/ clean lines.
I'd say throw a bunch of quick sketches down refining a concept working on proportion (orthographic views help w/ layout/proportions) then jump back into perspective/markers.. my two cents. keep it up tho and don't forget to stay loose!!!

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 22nd, 2017, 7:43 am
by 250gb
Winslow_Harte wrote:It looks like you don't quite nail down a concept before jumping to markers, which aren't as forgiving as a pen/pencil.
It's easy to keep adding to one sketch, but sometimes its good to get those first ideas down then grab a new piece of paper and overlay w/ clean lines.
I'd say throw a bunch of quick sketches down refining a concept working on proportion (orthographic views help w/ layout/proportions) then jump back into perspective/markers.. my two cents. keep it up tho and don't forget to stay loose!!!



You might be right. I think for my next few I am just going to keep to linework and try and nail getting the lines clean.

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 22nd, 2017, 9:21 am
by ralphzoontjens
Hi there,

You are getting really good advice here, and I agree with all of the above.
Your first sketch wasn't bad at all, it needed a bit more contrast, looseness in shading strokes, a softer drop shadow and overall a more expressive feel.
What I mainly see is that you are trying to get those ellipses too perfect while as you can see in yo's sketch, even if the ellipses aren't perfectly drawn, the overall sketch gets a much better character if you let your hand flow with the lines. Work from the shoulder, it will help you get better ellipses. You can also see how fluid strokes on the outlines that continue past the perimeter of the sketch, and some overall effect and perspective help a sketch come alive.

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 24th, 2017, 8:59 pm
by KenoLeon
250gb wrote: I feel like the best way to do this is to sketch and render from observing existing products.


HI 250:

You know I used to think that way, and it is a lot of fun to just copy and render some existing product, the issue is that I think it might not be the best way to practice, think about it, you want to sketch and render new things, so you need to practice that, I guess a little base inspiration is not bad or consulting existing products for finishes features etc.

I wanted to make a pure marker render sketch process but bailed at the line work stage cause I was in a hurry/didn't have all the markers:

- I like to start with quick thumbnails to figure out what am I sketching and perspective issues.

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Notice the last one is the one I ended up using as a base for the line work.
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- After that I do bigger tests until I get something I like and then use it as an overlay (or 2) for line work; I have a wand scanner which is not very expensive (about $40 and awesome), but just discovered dropbox's document scanner (which I used here and it is pretty good if your smartphone camera is decent ):

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The lenses are a straight rip-off from the latest iPhone
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I am not as gifted as Yo with markers on first or second pass, so I like to do a couple of tests before, as mentioned I ran out of time, so I just finished one of the tests I had on the computer, the line work is scanned and I tried not to use gradients and digital trickery (except the lcd and background) to try and keep it looking vaguely analog:

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I still think the shutter button should be bigger !
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Good luck !

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 25th, 2017, 9:24 am
by 250gb
Thanks for the input guys it helps.

Decided to concentrate on line work for now and get that clean before i try to use markers again..

1st one

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These photos seem to bring out every blemish that i can't see on the paper lol

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 26th, 2017, 10:42 am
by yo
That last one is getting much looser. Very nice. You are getting there. Keep pushing through!

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 4:12 pm
by 250gb
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Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 10:44 pm
by AndyMc
These are getting much better! Have you tried overlaying the same sketch over and over until you're happy with the linework style you're getting? It's tedious but I find it helps with actually drawing the line where you want it to be.

Re: Looking to improve

PostPosted: April 29th, 2017, 5:47 pm
by 250gb
Thanks for encouragement guys.

I have been using overlays but with copier paper for the last few - hard to see through.

Latest.. Lines a bit messy on this i think but was tired.

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