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Postby yo » August 27th, 2014, 9:51 pm

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Wood is inherently a horrible material for a shoe unless you are making a wooden clog. I think pieces like it has to be used to do what you want it will chip, it will crack, it will be inconsistent, it will peal off. Basically a welded synthetic material would do what you want with much more reliability.

Ricky is right. The Eames were pioneers in molded ply, but also fiberglass and other composited. They were experimenting with cutting edge materials (molded ply was super high tech pre WWII when they started messing with it) that were inspired by the application.

Now it has become a "look" of course which is totally fine, but is it right for this. I was surprised how much pr hear that render above got. Says something as well as to the cultural resonance I suppose.

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Yes to the posts by Ricky and Michael. Exactly what I was trying to say. If eames is your inspiration, follow the philosophy and reason behind the design. Not the design itself. Otherwise might just print a photo of a chair on a chuck and call it a day.

+1 also to Yo's comment about wood and footwear. If it's there, there should be a reason for it.

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Re: Furniture Inspired Footwear - ON GOING PROJECT

Postby Sain » August 27th, 2014, 10:37 pm

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*stream of conscious coming*


Ricky - I agree, the original idea behind this project was to make something inspired by the idea/process of Eames, not necessarily an aesthetic tribute. My initial thought was to - re interpret wood again using cutting edge technology. This is my mind essentially boiled down to laser cutting wood (since laser cutting/3D printing seem to be the cutting edge technology now). And applying it to a medium that it hasn't been really explored in (footwear). But maybe I need to take the idea of cutting edge technology and apply it to footwear itself, not the material. :!:

I don't want it too feel like like I'm throwing wood on a shoe, but I might have pigeon holed myself by focusing a bit too much on the prototype. Gonna take a step back and go back to thumbnails and raw ideas for the next round. I haven't thrown up too many sketches, so I'll change that.

However, I still want it to feel somewhat tied to the inspiration, but I may step away from literal inspiration. I don't want to do something that so off base aesthetic wise that its hard to tie back to the inspiration. But maybe that's a bridge I'll cross if I get to it. No need to worry about it now.

There's the easy way and the right way. Might have been taking the easy way for the last few rounds.



As for showing the process part. Its a combo of a lot of things.

1. Number 1. It holds me accountable to make progress. However small it may be. (today I had soccer practice after work and am dead tired, but figured I'd at least respond to this and do something)
2. There's lots of great feedback on the Forum and I like the pressure everyone gives me to do better. Plus wear else am I going to get this level of feedback. I've got CDOs, Creative Directors, Consultancy owners, Senior designers, design managers, People from every side of the industry chiming in. It's crazy we don't see more students around here.
3. Maybe showing my progress will help some student out in the future when there trying to figure out how to structure there projects.
4. Its like a journal. Its cool to look back and see old project threads and walk through my thought process years later. I know my chair project and senior thesis are somewhere on here.
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Great take away. Best of luck. Stumbling at first and changing direction is better than plowing ahead with blissful happiness. If it feels uncomfortable, you are doing something right.

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Re: Furniture Inspired Footwear - ON GOING PROJECT

Postby Sain » August 29th, 2014, 7:48 pm

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Wanted to get this idea out before heading out for the night. Slated this long weekend to work on this project

Really dig this idea of kerf bending plywood. And ties back to using back modern technology to influence traditional materials.
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Thought it would be cool to combine that with wooden midsole. But have the kerf pattern be much bigger. The pattern would be cut out of the bottom to allow it to flex. While a rubber midsole/outsole would come through the pattern and allow you not walk on wood. Similar to the Zvezdochka.
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The whole design would need finessing, but the main idea is there.
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I feel like we're say why wood?
and you're saying, here's some wood.

I also wonder if wood could ever have a decent application in footwear, then I thought maybe you shouldn't focus on performance footwear / athletic footwear. Maybe there's a women's shoe type that could leverage wood in some way where it was beneficial on more than simply a surface aesthetic level. Maybe you could use molded ply or the laser-kerf to make a nice looking compliant and dematerialized sole? idk

I guess if I were you, first question to ask would be why wood? If the answer is ... because... Eames, you're not there yet...

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Postby Sain » August 29th, 2014, 8:45 pm

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Fully intend to do non wood concepts. But this was lingering in my head from last time. So I threw it down.
Also don't think the shoe has to be a performance piece at all, but more of a fashion statement. A quick strike type release.

As for wood I like the idea of taking a non traditional material, using a new technique and applying it to footwear. But that isn't limited to wood.
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Sain wrote:Also don't think the shoe has to be a performance piece at all, but more of a fashion statement.


That's an okay position to take, but seems different than the Eames heritage you are aspiring to. The material wasn't about fashion, it was about utility. I also wouldn't brand it Nike in that case, choose more of a fashion brand, or create your own brand around it.

Re: Furniture Inspired Footwear - ON GOING PROJECT

Postby Sain » September 1st, 2014, 4:17 pm

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So I spent the majority of these past few days, just doodling in my sketchbook trying to play around with a main ideas.
Put together a few directions. Most of these concepts are based around a rigid support structure enclosing a softer core.

1. Wrapped Sandle
Thought this was an interesting idea. Could we use a single piece of leather or even ply to create the main base for a shoe?
Cut, bend, straps. Done. There is room here to develop it further, with a plus nice leather insole and rubber out sole. Although not sure I'd want to complicate it.

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2. Rigid Bootie
When sketching the last concept, I thought it would be cool to get away from sneaker executions and see if I could use the idea of panels to support the foot, to do something a bit different. There's a lot of opportunity here as well, just need to flush out the aesthetic more. These panels would hug the heel and the top of the foot, essentially forming a more rigid bootie construction. Kept thinking about how ski-boots and motocross boots, sorta lock you in.

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3. 3D Printed Rigidity

From the last concept sorta transitioned into this idea of using 3D printing to provide structural support to a softer interior of the shoe. Would the current trendy faceted 3D printed skeletonized panels work? Would it be too futuristic in aesthetic, Kinda went back to the idea of the kerf-ed wood. Would that principle applied to 3D printed parts allot for a bit more flexibility? How does that aesthetic, blend with the soft curves of the Eames lounge?

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4. Wooden outsole
Y'all have already seen this, but just wanted to put it together with the other concepts. A take of the previous idea, using molded ply to create the midsole/outsole of shoe. Or in place of what would normally be a rigid plastic part.

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Going to continue exploring a bit, but wanted to get this up and see what the initial thoughts are. I really like concept 1 and may spend a bit of time seeing if I can refine it a bit later tonight.


Side note, the tiny doodles are my actual level of ideation sketches, the larger ones are sketchbook pro and are overlayed at least once. Just a heads up in case any one was wondering what my thinking sketches look like. They're not glamorous, but they work for me. All done with a Hi-Tech C 0.5mm
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Postby Kershaw » September 2nd, 2014, 1:26 pm

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Digging the exploration. Why not explore outside of athletic footwear?
Wood clogs are super popular among the culinary field... up front they are unbelievable uncomfortable, but as they wear then begin to shape a bit more to your feet. Most chefs are full of personalities (and tats) and on their feet for 10+ hours a day....that industry needs some serious design love.

I like the idea of using different shape and size triangles from Yo - Have you thought about a veneer? that would allow you a bit more versatility in shape.

Have fun with it!

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Postby Sain » September 2nd, 2014, 4:51 pm

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Kershaw wrote:Digging the exploration. Why not explore outside of athletic footwear?


Was thinking last night about this. More obscure athletic footwear might lend themselves to this exploration better. Snowshoes and Cycling came right to mind.
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Postby Sain » September 4th, 2014, 10:00 pm

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Ok, So I really like the Sandal concept. So I thought about it a bit more.

The thing I kept coming back to in regards to the idea of the Eames lounge was the bent ply. The curves of the chair were inspired by wooden splints that Eames helped make. I thought that this idea played off the idea of having plywood support the human leg.

The twist is though that instead of steam and glue defining the shape. I thought it would be a cool idea to use a lasercut perf pattern to define the shape of the plywood. The idea would be to have a flat pack thin plywood sandal, that has a laser cut kerf pattern, that allows it to bend into the predefined shape.

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This will take quite bit of trial and error to get the perf to shape the sandal exactly how I want. But I think its entirely possible to cut a pattern into the wood that would allow it to bend and flex into a predefined shape.

Plus the kerf pattern might make for a very striking graphic treatment on the side as well.
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Re: Furniture Inspired Footwear - ON GOING PROJECT

Postby yo » September 5th, 2014, 11:44 am

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I'm liking where this is going! The Eames did have a beatnik kind of thing going on.

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Postby Sain » September 8th, 2014, 11:58 am

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Re: Furniture Inspired Footwear - ON GOING PROJECT

Postby Azrehan » September 12th, 2014, 12:49 am

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Very cool.

I think you're taking this to a good conclusion with using the technology of our time the way Eames did.

If Bach was around today, he's be using electric guitars and digital synths.

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