VW XL1

Postby yo » February 21st, 2013, 12:20 pm

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Re: VW XL1

Postby Mr-914 » February 21st, 2013, 12:40 pm

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I've heard that the US government is blocking it's sale in the USA because it is too well designed.
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Re: VW XL1

Postby NURB » February 21st, 2013, 3:58 pm

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Very cool! So it's what the Honda Insight should have been.
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Re: VW XL1

Postby holtag » February 21st, 2013, 9:42 pm

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I still want my Aptera. But it's a step in the right direction.

Re: VW XL1

Postby mo-i » February 22nd, 2013, 1:43 am

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I love the thinking and concept. But design wise not so much.
Exterior is a shrinked 70ies flatfish supercar and interior is
a squashed Up! to match the corparate identity.

The new tech needs some radical approaches design wise.
Nevertheless they should built much more than 50 ! items, I'd say.

Very keen to see the BMW i3 in comparison.

The landscape in cars will change a lot in the next 5 years as we move
along to reach "our" co2 targets.

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Re: VW XL1

Postby Brett_nyc » February 22nd, 2013, 10:35 am


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Is this a production one? Didn't they show something almost identical a while back?

Re: VW XL1

Postby Mr-914 » February 22nd, 2013, 1:07 pm

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mo-i: I agree with you that the design is extreme, but that's what makes it interesting. The Honda Insight was a realistic attempt at a 2 seat efficient commuter car. This one is not realistic, but that will allow us to learn. How will people live with having no rear window? Will there be problems with the rear track being narrower than the front track? How will the crazy doors hold up in real everyday use? Will there be real world problems to the aero work (underbody panels, extremely slippery form)? Problems with the concealed exterior door pulls? Camera based rear view mirrors? Probably another two dozen questions are hiding here.
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Re: VW XL1

Postby powaz » February 22nd, 2013, 5:01 pm

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Brett_nyc wrote:Is this a production one? Didn't they show something almost identical a while back?



Yeah, I think they're only building a few of them. VW's been tinkering on this one for over 10yrs now, so we'll see what happens from here.

Re: VW XL1

Postby Lmo » February 23rd, 2013, 1:49 pm

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The landscape in cars will change a lot in the next 5 years as we move
along to reach "our" co2 targets.


To say nothing of skinny tires...

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Still around after all these years (2008) is Robert Riley's XR3 125MPG diesel/electric kit car. Interesting to me, that his machine was criticized for lack of rear vision. Apparently acceptance of that is changing as well.

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Re: VW XL1

Postby Variant » May 5th, 2013, 8:29 pm


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mo-i wrote:I love the thinking and concept. But design wise not so much. Exterior is a shrinked 70ies flatfish supercar and interior is a squashed Up! to match the corparate identity.


I don't think that's what's going on here. I'm pretty sure what is going on here is what's called: "What works in a wind tunnel", with a few branding touches tacked on here-and-there. It's shrunk up to reduce frontal area... end of story. Whether that harkens back to a previous era of automobile design is a moot point. The laws of physics haven't changed since the '70s and probably wont anytime soon.

I know some don't like hearing this, but you can design things 100% purely on function. Take most purpose built race cars. You can criticize the "look" all you want, but you can't really criticize the styling, because it's simply not there. No one styles anything. ALL the decisions on shapes are made purely on what works and nothing else.

Me, personally, I love non-handbag cars... and this is one of the most exciting cars to come along in a while time simply because of that (wheel spats FTW!). Kudos to VW.

*Fun fact I number crunched: The XL1, with it's .280 CdA, would require a little over 500 bhp to match the top speed of the 1200 bhp Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.


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