Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby no_spec » January 30th, 2013, 2:22 pm


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Vette's were always the most conservative of sports cars - remember they were the last to lose pop-up head lights.
GM is taking a huge risk here. Especially considering the crowd of over 50 white guys who make up their target market.

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Cyberdemon » January 31st, 2013, 12:06 am

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I don't think they really are taking that much of a risk.

As the only person on this board who owned a Corvette (and was under 50) the old guys are still going to like it. The name/brand is enough for that, and no one who isn't a designer is going to say "I was going to buy one but now that it has trapezoidal tail lights, I'm going to get an M3 instead".

The Corvette has always been the American poster child for mullets, but the reality is there is no true "Sports car" in that price range from any other manufacturer. If you want a high powered, RWD vehicle you're either left going with one of the Pony cars (Camaro, Challenger, Mustang) or you have to start jumping way up the price ladder to the more prestigious vehicles that are way higher in price.

The Vette has always been an economical (high torque, low gearing, good gas mileage) practical (you can fit a bike in the back with the hatchback design) and fantastic handling sports car/GT car. Almost all of my car buddies out of school at one point or another went to a Corvette. My brother had one, uncle had one, it's just a great vehicle even with all the cheap rattles and junk that was associated with it.

Not only that, the Vette is the only car I have ever owned where owning one made you automatically feel like part of a community. I could never drive past another Vette driver without getting or giving a wave back. Little kids would stop me on the street and yell for a burnout. When I drive past another BMW driver at best they give me a dirty look...if they take enough time to look up from their cell phone.

GM did a lot of concepts for the Corvettes that were mentioned, like the early stingray concepts from the late 80's/early 90's that transformed it into everything from a Mid-Rear concept to a 2 seat roadster - and I think while any of those would have been "new and fresh" they would have diluted what makes it such a great car in the first place.

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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby NURB » January 31st, 2013, 7:51 am

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F Yeah.

Thanks for bringing some owner perspective to the conversation.
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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Primo » January 31st, 2013, 8:26 am

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I love the current ZR1 design, and would give anything to drive one..

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby no_spec » February 4th, 2013, 11:23 am


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that only one poster here actually ever owned a vette, kinda proves my point.
so expect a non "stingray" version out in a year or two. it'll neccessarily be a plainer looking version that will be the high volume seller (to over 50 white guys)
This (risky) version is what will drive customers into showrooms but most people will buy something else (like the new VW beetle does)

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Cyberdemon » February 4th, 2013, 2:05 pm

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I don't think that's necessarily a valid proof point - how many people on here have owned any sports car whatsoever? I'm willing to bet the designer crowd would jump on a Volvo wagon before jumping to a Corvette, even at the same price.

I don't think there's any intention on doing a "base model" Corvette, Ed Welburn mentions in an interview with Jay Leno that the Stingray name was brought back specifically to eliminate the notion of the "Base model" Vette.

Do I think most dealers will order more conservative color combinations and that they ma offer a body matched vent option down the road? That's more likely.

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby yo » February 4th, 2013, 5:25 pm

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Designers are never a good sample set. We have odd tastes and corner case functional needs that lead to Volvo wagons....


I've only ever bought 3 cars: Toyota MR 2, Audi TT quattro, Audi s5

None of them are in the league of the Corvette, so I would not say I am a true sports car guy, but I would certainly put it in my comparison set for the next vehicle.

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby no_spec » February 5th, 2013, 8:59 am


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no, it's not good science, but that designers didn't like Vette's and now do - tells us something, right?
does the argument follow that if eccentrics choose something it must not be mainstream?

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Mr-914 » February 5th, 2013, 10:22 am

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I think designers are naturally attracted to what we can't have or the oddballs.

Porsche 914, Honda del Sol, Ford Focus (5 door) and Mazda Miata. I've bought 10 seats over the span of 4 cars:)
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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Cyberdemon » February 5th, 2013, 12:16 pm

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no_spec wrote:no, it's not good science, but that designers didn't like Vette's and now do - tells us something, right?
does the argument follow that if eccentrics choose something it must not be mainstream?


I think it speaks more to the fact that GM has designed sh*t cars for 20 years and now they're stepping their game up. I don't think it will hurt them with their target market of old men. Old men like cool stuff too.

Though the old Trans Am WS6 has a certain place in my heart as well...nothing channels the inner mullet like Ram Air stickers. :lol:

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby NURB » February 5th, 2013, 1:21 pm

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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Mr-914 » February 5th, 2013, 1:36 pm

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I'm getting worried about the Big 3 again after the car show:

1. I think it was the new Malibu has some weird surfacing and transitions. It just looked rush in a way that I haven't seen in the last 4 years.

2. The new Lincoln MKS is brillant overall. However, some of the brightwork around the windows was popping off or didn't align properly. Same thing on the inside...
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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Generatewhatsnext » February 6th, 2013, 4:07 pm

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Mr-914 wrote:I'm getting worried about the Big 3 again after the car show:

1. I think it was the new Malibu has some weird surfacing and transitions. It just looked rush in a way that I haven't seen in the last 4 years.

2. The new Lincoln MKS is brillant overall. However, some of the brightwork around the windows was popping off or didn't align properly. Same thing on the inside...


I read that GM's CEO approved a redo of the Malibu (at least front and rear fascia) to be implemented ASAP. I'd duck my head low for a year or so if I was the designer of the 2013.

They may not have had production MKS's available - could be a polished up pre production (I used to watch them do teardowns on a dozen crash cars @ GM and end up with one car that looked great for photos / promos / shows).
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Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby dziner82 » March 18th, 2013, 11:03 am


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Mr-914 wrote:dziner: Remember, this is a fiberglass bodied production car. No one else does that today.


sorry for being late to come back to the thread but im gladly admitting my ignorance.... what does a fiberglass bodied car have to do with having huge FENDER GAP (not panel gap) on a sports car?

also, i love corvettes, i see people saying designers dont like corvettes, i love them, maybe even moreso since people love to beat them up more than any other sports car it seems, in my opinion its 'downfall' is that there isnt really anyting that can compete with it in terms of price/perfomance/speed so it always gets compared to cars not in its price range or from luxury brands.

Re: 2014 Corvette

Postby Cyberdemon » March 18th, 2013, 5:54 pm

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dziner82 wrote:
Mr-914 wrote:dziner: Remember, this is a fiberglass bodied production car. No one else does that today.


sorry for being late to come back to the thread but im gladly admitting my ignorance.... what does a fiberglass bodied car have to do with having huge FENDER GAP (not panel gap) on a sports car?


I think he was just mixing up your comment about fender gap with Richard's comments about panel gap a few posts up.

And to answer the question for anyone who was wondering, the thermal expansion of fiberglass is higher than steel. But in another article they mentioned the previous Corvette had 5mm panel gaps, and the current car has 3mm gaps due to improvements in the processing.

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