LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby yo » November 21st, 2012, 2:12 pm

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Have you seen this year's entrants? Any thoughts?

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/21/la-d ... s-to-2025/

This would make a good 1HDC
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Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby Generatewhatsnext » November 21st, 2012, 5:12 pm

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I like GM's entry - the brand extension is nice, the forms and color schemes look good and the designs 'seem' 2025.

The Mercedes entry stands out as very disappointing - looks more like a 2016 Pathfinder than anything else.
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Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby Mr-914 » November 22nd, 2012, 7:52 am

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Scott: I also like that the Mercedes entry has the hot tight-fitting-leather-clad chick cop. Because this is the way cops will dress in 12 years.
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Honda Drone Squad?

Who generated that proposal, the Toyota marketing department?

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Mr-914 wrote:Scott: I also like that the Mercedes entry has the hot tight-fitting-leather-clad chick cop. Because this is the way cops will dress in 12 years.


I figured it out Ray - they realized their entry was sh*t so they wanted to draw our attention away from it!

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Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

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Pretty disappointing entries when considering that it's work from some of the largest companies in the world.
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Postby yo » November 22nd, 2012, 5:44 pm

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Agreed. Such a cool theme, I was surprised by the entries.

Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby rkuchinsky » November 22nd, 2012, 6:08 pm

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I'm not that surprised by the results. You know this was given to some intern to keep them busy....

Big doesn't equal great.

I have always had a suspicion that anyhow most car designers are mostly not so great designers but great sketchers/renderers. Just look at 90% of the cars on the road as proof. All car designers seem to be good at is making some ecobox car look awesome in a render that has no connection to reality when shown in flashy lines, 22" rims and crazy forced perspective. Then the real thing gets made from the sketch someone sold and it looks like junk.

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Postby Mr-914 » November 23rd, 2012, 8:37 am

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Richard: YES.

At Uni, I talked to two GM sculptures that were visiting.* We asked about making the clay model look like the sketch. They said the clay will always look like the sketch, even if the sketch needs to be redone!

We can imagine forms that can not be made in reality, so it's a back and forth process.

*Car designers do hot renderings. The sculptures make it in 3D. Both require a design background (understanding of form, line, detail, etc). Both require creativity, just one is macro and one is extremely micro.
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I tend a bit more toward reality.... . . :wink:

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Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby sanjy009 » November 25th, 2012, 9:46 pm

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I'm assuming a highway patrol vehical is for high speed chases (and avoiding cardboard boxes, like on CHiPS).

This quora with ex-policeman Tim Dees is very informative:
http://www.quora.com/Tim-Dees/answers

especially this one:
http://www.quora.com/With-which-cars-can-you-win-a-chase-with-a-police-car

His view was straight line speed didn't matter in a car chase as even quite normal cars can get pretty fast, what matters is high speed driving skill and experience, and the counter-intuitiveness of high speed handling:

Most Americans believe they are above-average drivers who can handle a car moving at 100+ mph. Most of them are wrong. There is considerable skill involved here, and few people have the opportunity to learn it experientially. Emergency vehicle operations training includes several counter-intuitive aspects, such as staying off of the brake when an obstacle appears directly and immediately in your path (you're usually better off to try and steer around it).

There is also something to be said for the way the vehicle is configured. Many pickup trucks will exceed 100 mph on the highway if pushed, but they have a high center of gravity and are prone to rollovers on tight, high-speed turns.


In this light the Mercedes and Honda drone entries are no-no's.

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His view was straight line speed didn't matter in a car chase as even quite normal cars can get pretty fast, what matters is high speed driving skill and experience, and the counter-intuitiveness of high speed handling:

Most Americans believe they are above-average drivers who can handle a car moving at 100+ mph. Most of them are wrong. There is considerable skill involved here, and few people have the opportunity to learn it experientially. Emergency vehicle operations training includes several counter-intuitive aspects, such as staying off of the brake when an obstacle appears directly and immediately in your path (you're usually better off to try and steer around it).

There is also something to be said for the way the vehicle is configured. Many pickup trucks will exceed 100 mph on the highway if pushed, but they have a high center of gravity and are prone to rollovers on tight, high-speed turns.


In this light the Mercedes and Honda drone entries are no-no's.


I can tell you first hand that a well maintained BMW M3 can outrun the police, and I think he is almost spot-on - while most cars can go fast these days, it has to be a vehicle that can go fast quickly and easily then it's all about the driver, his willingness for risk and how well the vehicle can handle [secondarily, knowing your surroundings & traffic patterns, the time of day or night and the size of the police force in a given area helps as well].
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Maybe the brief was dystopian. 2025: To meet budget needs, the state California sells CHP brand to Blackwater Domestic Inc.

Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

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nxakt wrote: 2025: To meet budget needs, the state California sells CHP brand to Blackwater Domestic Inc.


Yes!! Reminds me of the motorcycle scene near the beginning of the latest Star Trek remake (where the stationary patrol pod scans his bike's barcode as he flies by and transmits a notice to his helmet that his Social Security account has been debited $500 for the speeding infraction).
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Re: LA Design Challenge, Highway Patrol

Postby choto » November 28th, 2012, 9:06 am

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Over all pretty disappointing. It seems like the submissions are getting worse every year, or maybe I'm just getting more critical. At the very least these things should be nice to look at, but some of these are borderline eyesores.

The Mercedes Ener-G concept seemed a little out of place with everything else being so futuristic and far reaching, but it was probably my favorite. Apparently they made a full size prototype, some cool details going on.

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