Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby TaylorWelden » January 16th, 2013, 3:17 pm

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@Bbarn- I love the simplicity of that cork/glass light fixture. If you can incorporate that concept into a different form factor (say a desk lamp or floor lamp, etc), I'd purchase one in a second. I can see that concept lending really well to a product family. At the moment, I simply don't have a need for overhead lighting like this. Not to say many others don't though. Great work.
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Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby Cyberdemon » January 16th, 2013, 3:58 pm

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I have a similar set of large Flos pendants over the island in my kitchen...that size is great, they hang low but look really nice (except when I almost break them by hitting them with my head while wiping down the counters).

The cork is a really nice way of tackling that...the Flos have these 3 awkward leveling plastic screws in an otherwise elegant fixtures...

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby nxakt » January 24th, 2013, 11:02 am

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Just took the wraps off this multi-year project. Water thrust powered jetpacks. Uses jetski for generating the water thrust needed to fly.

More pictures and explanation on http://www.x-jetpacks.com

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Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby engio » January 24th, 2013, 11:34 am


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Nice rig Shaw. Crazy price though.. Are those Ergon bike grips?

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby nxakt » January 24th, 2013, 11:45 am

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engio wrote:Nice rig Shaw. Crazy price though.. Are those Ergon bike grips?


Price is less than 15% the price of the current product which sells for 100,000 dollars or euros depending on which continent you buy it.

Yes, designed for standard bike grips, like the Ergon ones the best for flight control.

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby Travisimo » January 24th, 2013, 12:50 pm

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that's an awesome project Nxakt, must have been a lot of fun testing protoypes ;-)

Great stuff Bbarn and Cyberdemon

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby yo » January 24th, 2013, 2:35 pm

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Whoa, awesome Shaw!

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby NURB » January 24th, 2013, 3:44 pm

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Sooooooo cool.
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Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby nxakt » January 24th, 2013, 9:03 pm

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Thanks guys. Has been a great endeavor to bring to life. Jetpacks have both a rich history and what we feel is a great potential to develop as a sport. Has a lot of parallels to past sports I've worked on at the beginnings.

And the feeling of flight and the 3D freedom of motion is awesome. :D

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby engio » January 25th, 2013, 3:50 am


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engio wrote:Nice rig Shaw. Crazy price though.. Are those Ergon bike grips?


Price is less than 15% the price of the current product which sells for 100,000 dollars or euros depending on which continent you buy it.

Yes, designed for standard bike grips, like the Ergon ones the best for flight control.


100K?? Does that include the actual engine?

It's hard too see what in this rig commands a 10k pricetag, but if the market can bear it - why not.

Anyway, funny you would post that yesterday as designboom posted Mark Newson's jetpack. http://www.designboom.com/design/marc-n ... ng-device/
Yours actually looks more comfortable..

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Travisimo wrote:Great stuff Bbarn and Cyberdemon

No love for my ladder huh ;) Guess nobody appreciates the tiny everyday problems of PD and production..

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby Cameron » January 25th, 2013, 4:18 am

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I liked the ladder. The ladder is a good example of passion for details! As Charles Eames once said, 'the details are not the details, they are the design.'
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Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby Travisimo » January 25th, 2013, 5:42 am

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engio wrote:
Travisimo wrote:Great stuff Bbarn and Cyberdemon

No love for my ladder huh ;) Guess nobody appreciates the tiny everyday problems of PD and production..


Shoot, I missed it.. that's cool to design an extrusion! not something you do every day

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby nxakt » January 25th, 2013, 6:06 am

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engio wrote:..funny you would post that yesterday as designboom posted Mark Newson's jetpack. http://www.designboom.com/design/marc-n ... ng-device/


wow, awesome parallel from one of my reference designers.  Nice sleek design. But there seem to be some design solutions that are at odds from our experience in riding jetpacks. We had to design things around function for sport, minimal solutions were preferred, but function ruled all decisions. A few great looking ideas just didn't test out. 

Firstly, the weight of the body hangs from the jetpack when you fly and your legs swings side side to side and front to back, messing up the dynamics and CG.  All that body weight has to be carried somewhere.  Some designs from the 1960's use a two strap crotch belt, but those flights last thirty seconds, maximum, due to fuel. Comfort was not a pressing concern.

The 100k Euro German water thrust model uses a little flat bike style seat, the most painful experience imaginable being lifted up in the air by your crotch and the sharp edges, add sideways swing to it and I literally had bumps inside my groin for weeks afterwards.

Marc's  design has two possible places for this weight to be suspended, the single strap between your gluteus maximii and family jewels, or on your elbows as in a vertical crunch machine at the gym. Either of these choices seem suspect in terms of comfort and control of the machine.  

We developed a seat inspired by dressage  horse saddles, allowing you to distribute the weight and keep the legs, 40% of your body weight, stable, and be able to grip with the thighs. Also automatically stabilizes the pendulum effect when turning great for learning. Integrated into this is the two strap design to take the stress off the centerline.

Secondly, steering in these machines is done by pivoting the vectors of thrust relative to the body CG. With a solid design as shown it is hard to see how forward or backward vectoring would be obtained. Side to side perhaps by thrust variation, however the thrust/turbine exhaust channel split looks symmetric without mechanism. Gyroscopic is defined but I am not sure how this dynamic would be achieved.  It is true however that subtle movements are required.

Regarding price, several factors determine it. Low volume. No existing sales channel, distributor and retail margins have to support the new chain in order to build the sport. Competitive similar products, Flyboard and Jetovator are priced at similar range.  Lastly we need the initial margin to innovate.  

The othe guys 100k price includes a transplanted engine from a jetski.

I like your ladder! I have climbed many of those, sometimes icey in the winter, I did an internal visualization on the hand feel and foot feel of your rung design and liked it better. And I liked your details about the production and the kilometers of alloy extruded. 

Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

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engio wrote:No love for my ladder huh ;) Guess nobody appreciates the tiny everyday problems of PD and production..


Jetpacks, dude. Jetpacks.

Just kidding. Extrusions are a lot of fun. Nice work on your project.
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Re: Newly Released Work (all product types)

Postby engio » January 25th, 2013, 2:00 pm


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NURB wrote:
engio wrote:No love for my ladder huh ;) Guess nobody appreciates the tiny everyday problems of PD and production..


Jetpacks, dude. Jetpacks.

Just kidding. Extrusions are a lot of fun. Nice work on your project.


Haha yeah the bar has been raised significantly. Thanks all, I feel fine again. Posting something and not receive any comment sucks @$$.

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