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Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby cash68 » February 14th, 2012, 1:51 pm

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Skip the first year of whatever fancy ID school you're going to... instead go to a technical college, do all the classes that transfer there. Save thousands of dollars, reduce your debt by 1/4. The first year I went to school was utterly pointless and had NOTHING to do with ID.

Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby yo » February 14th, 2012, 4:15 pm

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gruv, that is horrible advice. The first year is everything. I found the foundation year to be the MOST important year of my design education.

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Most schools won't let you skip foundation year.

If I were going to do anything in the spirit of switching schools it would have been to taken a year of community college liberal arts classes so I could have focused more on studio.

I think different schools have different levels of relevance freshman year. In my opinion the thing I learned the most my foundation year was "this is what it's going to be like being a designer" lots of very long and labor intensive projects with very short deadlines, lots of manual labor making things, even if the actual "design" of those things was almost completely irrelevant to the professors.

Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby yo » February 14th, 2012, 9:24 pm

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Same. Where I went to school you tended to learn two things freshman year:

1- Broad concepts you can apply to anything: form composition, color theory, drawing, history of art, architecture, and design, concepts behind modern art and design movements... This stuff is invaluable to me now

2- how to work really REALLY hard! Blood sweat and tears type stuff! This helped get me where I am.

In a third category, I also learned grades don't matter. No one cares about your grade, they care about your work.

Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby yo » February 14th, 2012, 9:28 pm

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Design is truly Machiavelian. The ends justify the means. No one cares about excuses, they care about results!

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yo wrote:In a third category, I also learned grades don't matter. No one cares about your grade, they care about your work.


I'm hoping you mean that bad grades doesn't necessarily mean bad work, but good grades means good work.

In looking at job applications, do you not consider GPAs?

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sanjy009 wrote:
yo wrote:In a third category, I also learned grades don't matter. No one cares about your grade, they care about your work.


I'm hoping you mean that bad grades doesn't necessarily mean bad work, but good grades means good work.

In looking at job applications, do you not consider GPAs?



I never have. Yet I got great grades and scholarships in school I don't think it ever made a difference. Portfolio is everything.

First year is not about practicing design it's about getting you ready for design thinking and practice. I don't think it's the most most important but I don't think you could do subsequent years without it. Not to mention, for most it's a peek at what design is really about. Many go into id pretty blind and it's a good opportunity to see if it's right for you before wasting more te and money.

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Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby yo » February 15th, 2012, 9:09 am

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I've seen every combination of grades to work including students with great grades an horrible work. There is not neccesarily a correlation.

I've never asked for GPA. I've often asked to see more process.

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I would agree that grades mean almost nothing. If your portfolio is solid I could care less that your GPA was brought down by a poor performance in your psychology class.

I actually was given some very mediocre grades in school, and in speaking to my professors after graduation they pointed out they gave me grades lower than my classmates not because my work was worse, but because they saw that I was not working up to my full potential, whereas students who got "A" work were as good as they saw they were going to get. After being mad as heck at the time I realized after graduation that C pushed me harder than ever to improve myself. It certainly didn't help my GPA, but it absolutely pushed me to develop my portfolio. That alone makes me disregard anything about "GPA" on a CV.

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rkuchinsky wrote:Portfolio is everything.


Cyberdemon wrote:I would agree that grades mean almost nothing. If your portfolio is solid I could care less


yo wrote:I've seen every combination of grades to work including students with great grades an horrible work. There is not neccesarily a correlation.

I've never asked for GPA. I've often asked to see more process.



I guess the portfolio is the grade that counts.

For those on the forum who also teach, what do you consider when grading? One of my lecturers told me they will pass people who they know 'aren't a danger to the community' ("P's get degrees").

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When I teach, grading is done of course based on a very detailed breakdown. For example-

Concept Design 30% (7.5/30 Visual Presentation, 7.5/30 Storytelling, 15/30 Concept)
Final Deign 35% (10/35 Visual Presentation, 10/35 Technical, 15/35 Concept )
Photoshop Rendering 35% (15/35 Visual Presentation, 20/35 Technical)
100%

That being said, it can be very difficult to determine the grades as it is all relative.

1. Relative to the other students. ie. how is one student compared to the best and the worst in the class/school
2. Relative to themselves. Is this a good project that could have been great if the student gave 100%
3. Relative to the industry/field. The best in the class may not compare to the best in another school/program....

There is no formula for those factors. I use my best best judgement, and take a little bit of all into consideration.

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Re: If I Knew Then What I Know (Advice to students)

Postby yo » February 16th, 2012, 2:13 pm

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When I have taught, I have done a similar breakdown to Richard, but I had a 4th category of "improvement".

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Thanks for that, good to know.


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The relationship between the students is really nice.the school is learning environment for all of us in all aspects.


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When I taught drawing, I graded the deliverables segment based on true professional level output. There's no excuse not to be aware of what constitutes pro level output and the students need to be shown regularly what that is.

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